Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 16 2019 11:21am)

if you were less literal when cornered i'd let you off the hook. but you're just like the rest, you get semantic when you need to and you get as vague as you can when needed.

we all do it, feel free to point out when i have jack shit other than vague party trend lines and am wildly speculating.

if you want to stay true to fender form make sure to respond with a 12 hour project of analyzing your posts for proof of my claims. then call me a dodger.

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O’Rourke, a member of the House Armed Services Committee, defends the vote, saying he would not approve sending “lethal” aid to Ukraine and further involving the U.S. in another global conflict.

“It was us becoming a participant in yet another war,” O’Rourke said listing the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, plus U.S. roles in conflicts in Syria, Libya, Somalia and Yemen. “I don’t know that deepening U.S. military involvement in Ukraine is going to solve that country's problems. I’m not down with more war for the United States.”

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 16 2019 12:27pm)

I did a little digging because I was curious about him on the issues. He's lacking on foreign policy but I found this from Beto.



That's promising. That's why I said I'm open for you to change my mind because I acknowledge I'm not all-knowing. Obviously, if he ever runs and is consistent with the above I might support him depending on other issues. Ultimately it's hard for me to see how he doesn't get molded into being a hawk. Tough to make it in Washington wanting to take on the war cabal.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 16 2019 01:18pm)

All the Dems crying Russia bad must help Ukraine militarily, all of them crying Assad bad, must send troops & arms, all crying Trump bad for wanting to bring troops home from Syria, but yes Beto will break ranks and all of the sudden not be a hawk. Yes, truly fendersque deduction on my part :rolleyes:

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In her speech, the Massachusetts Democrat called for the United States to rein in “unsustainable” overseas involvements in conflicts “that sap American strength,” criticized the country’s support for Saudi Arabia, called for cuts to the “bloated defense budget,” and reiterated her opposition to President Donald Trump’s reworked North American trade agreement.

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 16 2019 12:38pm)

Obama was roundly criticized for not sending arms to Ukraine, and not intervening more in Syria.

And Elizabeth Warren, one of the Democrats most likely to get the nomination, supports withdrawing from Syria. Also:


https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2018/11/29/elizabeth-warren-foreign-policy-speech-american-university

Sure, many Democrats are hawkish on foreign policy, just as Republicans are, but let's not pretend it's a consensus view.

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 16 2019 11:38am)

Obama was roundly criticized for not sending arms to Ukraine, and not intervening more in Syria.

And Elizabeth Warren, one of the Democrats most likely to get the nomination, supports withdrawing from Syria. Also:


https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2018/11/29/elizabeth-warren-foreign-policy-speech-american-university

Sure, many Democrats are hawkish on foreign policy, just as Republicans are, but let's not pretend it's a consensus view.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/beto-orourkes-immigration-plan-no-wall-but-no-specifics/2019/01/15/f6e36fac-15ea-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html

When asked in an interview about the constitution, Beto O'Rourke responded:



For those not fully aware of the premise. Beto wants to subvert our Democratic system in favor of his selfish agenda by getting rid of the constitution.

This is a scary new trend among Democrats, to destroy the institutions that form the bedrock of our civilization. I hope the trend stops in its tracks and reverses because the consequences of such a movement will be bad. We already see the trouble that the 9th circuit court of appeals has caused.

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And I praise Obama for not interfering as much as others wanted him to. Even with those things being true he still had a pretty overwhelming Drone campaign, kept troops in Afghanistan when he said he'd bring them home, went along with Lybia, etc.

And lol. Warren will not get the nomination. When the vast majority holds hawkish views, the Warrens, the Rand Pauls, etc. usually get drowned out.

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Quote (Santara @ Jan 16 2019 05:35pm)

I want to get rid of the 16th & 17th amendments. I hate the country too, right?