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#31
Jul 3 2018 11:06pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 3 Jul 2018 23:54)
Youre infantile and at this point youre not even reading my posts

This has been known for two years and youve only found a pattern, not the motive and definitely not collusion


1) Russian leadership intent is specifically discussed in the ICA's assessment and the Intelligence Community Assessment and "sees no reason to dispute the conclusions"

2) I agree that any potential collusion is a separate topic from Russian meddling within the scope of these reports
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#32
Jul 4 2018 04:49am
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"chooses"

The same way many South American & South-eastern Asians "choose" to side with us during the cold war. I'm not against anyone choosing, i'm just not naive enough to think the world is black and white. From Russias point of view this was an absolute threat to it's national security so they acted accordingly something to be expected from any country whether it's Russia, China or us.

If southern California decided to split from the US today would you be against them choosing to do so knowing the fact that we will be losing our largest military infrastructure on the west coast?


California is part of the United States. Ukraine is not part of Russia. The analogy fails immediately.

The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore... Ukrainians can decide their own future, and siding with the West over Putin's stagnant Russia seems like an easy choice.

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Jul 4 2018 05:18am
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California is part of the United States. Ukraine is not part of Russia. The analogy fails immediately.

The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore... Ukrainians can decide their own future, and siding with the West over Putin's stagnant Russia seems like an easy choice.


Thank you captain obvious but the analogy doesn’t fall apart because you’re focusing on the wrong point. The point of the analogy was both are examples of threatened national security when they loose a key military base. You disregarding other nations reasons for what they do is the precise reason you think some nations are inherently bad. Like I said, very basic black and white thinking.
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Jul 4 2018 05:34am
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Thank you captain obvious but the analogy doesn’t fall apart because you’re focusing on the wrong point. The point of the analogy was both are examples of threatened national security when they loose a key military base. You disregarding other nations reasons for what they do is the precise reason you think some nations are inherently bad. Like I said, very basic black and white thinking.


It's just a crappy analogy... try a better one.

I'm not disregarding Russia's justification... I just don't accept it as right. The US had a justification for invading Iraq, I don't accept that one as right either. Where did I say Russia was bad? They do good things and bad things, I consider the invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea to be bad things.

Also, was it really inevitable that Ukraine's government would expel the Russians from their base?

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#35
Jul 4 2018 10:10am
Trump is Putin's puppet.

It is known.
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Jul 4 2018 10:19am
Quote (timmayX @ Jul 4 2018 12:10pm)
Trump is Putin's puppet.

It is known.


duh
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#37
Jul 4 2018 12:04pm
Muh russia

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#38
Jul 4 2018 12:12pm
Russia and its influence on the presidential election

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So what does it all mean?

Based on the evidence, it seems highly unlikely that actions by the Russian government contributed in any decisive way to Trump’s win over Clinton.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/01/russia-and-its-influence-presidential-election/
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#39
Jul 4 2018 12:15pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 4 Jul 2018 13:04)
Muh russia

https://s22.postimg.cc/66y5qmaxd/Screenshot_68.png


The US government issuing sanctions against Russia is not mutually exclusive with Russia and Putin intentionally hurting Clinton and helping Trump to influence the 2016 election.
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#40
Jul 4 2018 12:17pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 4 2018 02:15pm)
The US government issuing sanctions against Russia is not mutually exclusive with Russia and Putin intentionally hurting Clinton and helping Trump to influence the 2016 election.


We all know. Trust me

Quote (IgoSoHard @ Jul 4 2018 02:12pm)
Russia and its influence on the presidential election



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/01/russia-and-its-influence-presidential-election/


Pretty much. The people here are just repeating it over and over to give themselves solace
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