Quote (Goomshill @ 2 Nov 2017 17:16)

I don't think you understand. Putin wanted to personally embarrass Clinton in direct retaliation for her previous diplomatic transgressions in a tit-for-tat exchange with her election interference
Putin didn't have a goal of actually getting rid of Clinton because nobody actually thought that was possible. His plan was to fire a shot across her bow before she got into office.
Let me see if i can express this in a way a brainless surrender-monkey can comprehend:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRRRLApWOE0
the horse is hillary clinton

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 2 2017 10:27am)

Nice excuses, who are supposed to be those 3 guys ? Oh i figured out !

It represent Paul Manafort, Richard Gates, and George Papadopoulos

And who represent the horse ? Oh i figured out !

It represent the rhetoric of fake news [when asked about Russia interference]

Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 2 2017 08:51am)

They didn't
The entire story of Russian interference in the election has been known since the day the wikileaks emails went live, and its never really changed

Its a very simple plotline. Hillary was in a row with Obama while SoS and constantly being a thorn in his side and struggling for power and influence before falling completely out of Obama's sphere after she led him into Libya. She instigated a needless diplomatic spat with Russia by antagonizing Putin over his 2011 elections, accusing him of rigging his elections. This was a major diplomatic transgression, because US-Russian relations in the post-cold war have been delineated as respecting mutually sovereignty and spheres of influence with squabbling for influence around the borders, never directly nosing into each others internal affairs. Hillary however was a hawk seeking to stir up trouble and drag Obama into it. She directly meddled in Russia's affairs, accusing Putin of rigging his elections- which of course he actually did, she's just not supposed to directly accuse him- and also she funded dissident groups inside Russia to stir up domestic troubles with propaganda. Putin was outraged and denounced everything publicly, but rather than directly retaliating against the US in general, he stood down. Obama and Biden then both gave neutral statements that congratulated Russia on completing the election without praising Putin, very careful not to be offensive. And Putin let it be. Despite all the history of US-Russian tit-for-tat retaliation, Putin did nothing against the US or Obama administration

Then years later, when Hillary was running for president, Putin got his poetic revenge. The ruskies hacked the DNC emails and distributed them, exposing the fact that Hillary was herself rigging her primary. In one fell swoop, Putin exposed Hillary's hypocrisy, retaliated against her in specific in a calculated and measured response, and did so in the most deliciously ironic way possible by mirroring everything she had done to him.

None of it had anything to do with Trump. Putin like everyone else in the world assumed Hillary was going to win, and even that slap across her face wouldn't have swung the election in his wildest dreams.

And we've known all that all along. Even Hillary herself has openly acknowledged it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-fbi-comey.html

everything since the election has been a farce

Quote (Goomshill @ 2 Nov 2017 17:36)

Several times each day, I get accused of being a subversive Russian agent, and you get accused of being a moron. I take mine as a compliment.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 2 Nov 2017 17:41)

This needs to be stickied. So many gullible lads on here and in real life feed off the propaganda machine that is our MSM and are painfully ignorant of objective realities such as you mentioned above.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 2 2017 12:06pm)

With all my respect, you own congress has an official investigation running about it, there was hearings, and alot of embarassment from facebook, google, twitter ... more than hundred Millions of people saw ads promoting absolutely everything going in the trump rhetoric way, while in the same time theres posts specifically attacking Hillary Clinton

Are you telling us that Russia is a friend that just wanted to get rid of Clinton ?
Do i have to remind you that Russia ANNEXED CRIMEA ?

IMO, the truth is this woman (whatever greedy & obsessed in controlling others she was) was a way stronger opponent to Putin, while Trump is spreading division and chaos. But thanks for your acrobatic dodge.



K lol.




we can go for "cold cyber warfare" ?

Quote (murder567 @ 2 Nov 2017 17:53)

Lol. Yeah I will allow 'cold cyber warfare' to be the term. Pretty fitting imo.

Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 2 2017 10:51am)

They didn't
The entire story of Russian interference in the election has been known since the day the wikileaks emails went live, and its never really changed

Its a very simple plotline. Hillary was in a row with Obama while SoS and constantly being a thorn in his side and struggling for power and influence before falling completely out of Obama's sphere after she led him into Libya. She instigated a needless diplomatic spat with Russia by antagonizing Putin over his 2011 elections, accusing him of rigging his elections. This was a major diplomatic transgression, because US-Russian relations in the post-cold war have been delineated as respecting mutually sovereignty and spheres of influence with squabbling for influence around the borders, never directly nosing into each others internal affairs. Hillary however was a hawk seeking to stir up trouble and drag Obama into it. She directly meddled in Russia's affairs, accusing Putin of rigging his elections- which of course he actually did, she's just not supposed to directly accuse him- and also she funded dissident groups inside Russia to stir up domestic troubles with propaganda. Putin was outraged and denounced everything publicly, but rather than directly retaliating against the US in general, he stood down. Obama and Biden then both gave neutral statements that congratulated Russia on completing the election without praising Putin, very careful not to be offensive. And Putin let it be. Despite all the history of US-Russian tit-for-tat retaliation, Putin did nothing against the US or Obama administration

Then years later, when Hillary was running for president, Putin got his poetic revenge. The ruskies hacked the DNC emails and distributed them, exposing the fact that Hillary was herself rigging her primary. In one fell swoop, Putin exposed Hillary's hypocrisy, retaliated against her in specific in a calculated and measured response, and did so in the most deliciously ironic way possible by mirroring everything she had done to him.

None of it had anything to do with Trump. Putin like everyone else in the world assumed Hillary was going to win, and even that slap across her face wouldn't have swung the election in his wildest dreams.

And we've known all that all along. Even Hillary herself has openly acknowledged it:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-fbi-comey.html

everything since the election has been a farce

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 2 2017 10:44am)

How exactly are Hillary Clinton's remarks about Russia's rigged elections equivalent to what the Russians did in the 2016 election? Since when does Russia give a fuck about norms? Is a propaganda campaign to divide Americans not a clear example of meddling in our internal affairs?

I don't think it's fair to say it had nothing to do with Trump. Trump was clearly the better choice for Russian interests.

What do you mean everything since the election has been a farce?

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This was a major diplomatic transgression, because US-Russian relations in the post-cold war have been delineated as respecting mutually sovereignty and spheres of influence with squabbling for influence around the borders, never directly nosing into each others internal affairs. Hillary however was a hawk seeking to stir up trouble and drag Obama into it. She directly meddled in Russia's affairs, accusing Putin of rigging his elections- which of course he actually did, she's just not supposed to directly accuse him- and also she funded dissident groups inside Russia to stir up domestic troubles with propaganda. Putin was outraged and denounced everything publicly

Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 2 2017 12:55pm)

It's like you didn't even bother reading what he wrote. Your first two questions are answered here:



Your 3rd question is idiotic and it's the typical spin question by TV pundits. The objectives were to embarrass Hillary and hurt a candidate that's hostile to Russia. The US is not divided because of Russia, but a host of other domestic issues such as PC-culture, identity politics, etc.