Israel offers to pay African migrants to leave, threatens jail

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-migrants/israel-offers-to-pay-african-migrants-to-leave-threatens-jail-idUSKBN1ES0UY








I wonder how this will turn out. I'm guessing we won't see a lot of BLM groups appear in Israel.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jan 3 2018 07:39am

3,5k is pretty generous

You can't condense the middle east into one topic. There's just too much going on. You could fill an entire page with your crappy copy paste headline spam and not even cover half of what's happened in the last week alone.

This post was edited by Scaly on Jan 3 2018 12:00pm

I gotta say... it's refreshing to see this. I don't know if it's strategically wise or not, but it's the truth.

the truth is this govt like many others has warring factions of elites. some of which have harbored and supported terrorists. people who overgeneralize "the govt" as having "done something" shouldnt, thats silly. its the same divisive language that results in violent and silent islamic people rather than violent and peaceful islamic people in some areas. i cant see a single strategic positive that comes out of this, its just stroking the base's shaft. they want a whitehouse that tells it like it is, even if its not only not helpful but harmful.

the world has known for decades that Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc all have elites with a hand in funding and protecting terrorists. what's funny is many people dont realize that american elites in the mercenary business have done similar, and rogue elements of the armed forces have as well. this is just another case of hypocrisy we can't face.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 3 2018 02:19pm

Those Islamist factions have real power and control in the government, so I don't see a problem with the generalization. You can only be so nuanced in soundbites, and clearly the administration thinks calling them out is strategically beneficial.

@bold: examples?

Mercenary companies have a long track record of terrorism, especially in the oil fields and mining basins of africa where they're paid to maintain order. People can draw a distinction between capitalistic and ideological terrorism if they like, but capitalism is an ideology as well. Beyond actual attrocities mercenary companies often deal with druglords and warlords, such as we've seen in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Within the military there is a spectrum of individuals with differing ideas about acceptable civilian casualties. One buddy of mine did 2 tours in Iraq and nearly witnessed a marine kill an entire school classroom of children because he didnt want to wait 5 minutes for a translator. Add on to that the PR issue they have with marines taking selfies with corpses and taking trophies, again people can draw a line and call that "war", but the radical muslims call what they do war too.

and lets not forget the US has literally created, trained and armed terrorist organizations

my main point is that its all perspective. the power you speak of in their govts is no different than the power billionaire oligarchs have in the US with lobbying. for example:



This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 3 2018 02:57pm

There's a difference between mercenaries abandoning all sense of morality for financial motivations and terrorism. Massacring a village too close to a mine isn't really terrorism.

Comparing terrorists to a sociopathic marine who didn't actually do anything or other military people taking inappropriate pictures seems silly to me. Sure, there's been instances of US military men who could be accused of terrorism, but it's not government forces creating a policy of terrorism(or funding/protecting).

What terrorist organization did the US ever actually create? We've trained and armed them before for a greater strategic interest. I'm not sure how that's relevant though... the US armed the mujahideen 30 years ago so we can't criticize the Pakistani government for providing safe haven for the Taliban?

says you, who didnt live in the village. all perspective.



that guys not an isolated indecent, ive heard many such reports. if we want to be better than terrorists taking the easy way out and slaughtering innocents isnt a good way to do it.

but overall you're missing my point, big time. and don your tinfoil hat because its a good one. there are billionaires who have lobbied for the US govt to enter conflicts simply for their financial gain. they have knowingly sacrificed millions for a bigger bank account. you can call this not terrorism, but greed is as much of a legitimate motivator for terrorism as religion or revenge. we have also had billionaires lobby for the US NOT to get in conflicts, so that instead their mercenary bands can do a worse job (read: far less accountability/oversight) and they can profit from it. these are heavy hitters with massive sway in the govt pushing for the death of others for their gain, i dont see the difference of cash and virgins in the afterlife as important.

if americans dont want to recognize that our greed has led us to commit as many terrorist acts as Islam has that's hypocrisy. we need to root out the hawkish and criminal elements of our govt and expose immoral lobbying practices. Pakistan is no different. but in both cases overgeneralization serves no purpose but to harden the resolve of those who would do others harm. and makes those who might have spoken out less likely to do so imo.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 3 2018 03:42pm

No you don't typically see minority rights groups surfacing in fascist states.