You didn't say it was? Could have fooled me.

Hillary vying to sell America downriver is equally as bad as anything Trump has done so far.

the reason for talking about (alleged) attacks doesn't change the fact that he did it. the point was not that he doesn't make sense to his shills, the point was that he only mentions brown ppl's terrorism. also, you obviously can't distinguish between speaking out when pressured to do so and doing it on your own, which was an important part of the argument.

that's why you can't be taken seriously to judge trump fairly because when in doubt, you'd just ignore half of the argument, dismiss the rest as somehow justified and then make up some fictionary scenario in which he WOULD have acted like a human being on his own initiative as "counter-argument", even though he had plenty of opportunities to condemn right wing terrorism and only did it when he was asked about it...

This post was edited by fender on Mar 2 2017 09:05am

We're not fighting a war on right-wing terror. We aren't spending hundreds of billions to take out right-wing terrorist networks. Trump has numerous reasons to remind people that Islamic terrorism is a big problem, whether it be his travel hold, his increase in defense spending, his desire to secure the border, etc. Frankly, a couple brown guys getting shot by an Islamaphobe/racist isn't that important. Trump has no reason to treat it as something special, because he's denounced hate and racism numerous times throughout his campaign/presidency.

If Trump is trying to appeal to racists or anti-Semites, or whoever, why did he open up his speech to congress addressing the recent incidents? He didn't have to do that, his administration already addressed them numerous times. His base wasn't going to abandon him for not denouncing hate for the millionth time.... only anti-Trump liberals and MSM folk care. If Trump acted like he had to denounce every instance of hate, he'd just be playing into the stupid narrative that the deplorables in his movement were behind it.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 2 2017 10:51am

Obviously I did fool you. Or you fooled yourself.

Considering her charitable works and decades in natsec and diplomatic positions I really doubt she's 'vying to sell America downriver'. Her life's work has been protecting America and it's interests.

This post was edited by Scaly on Mar 2 2017 10:53am

you see how you shifted from "he never mentions it" and "he WOULD speak out if such and such happened" to "he HAS to mention / remind people" and "a couple of brown guys getting shot isn't important", right?
because i do, nothing to add here really...

Well, the first reply I was focused on twitter, I missed the speech aspect. I wasn't wrong, on his twitter if you take out the tweets concerning the travel ban, he has only mentioned radical Islam a couple times. There's been a few serious terrorist attacks by ISIS in the ME since he got elected, he hasn't mentioned those. Are Canadian Muslims more important than Syrian or Pakistani Muslims?

This isn't a hard concept... there's a difference between people knocking over gravestones at a Jewish cemetery and a person shooting up a bunch of Jews in a synagogue. The president shouldn't respond to every act of hate, but he should respond to a serious incident like the latter. Why doesn't Trump speak out on mass shootings outside Chicago? Is he pandering to the racists who hate all blacks not in Chicago?

I'm just saying he has a lot of legitimate reasons to speak about radical Islam and remind people of it. Commenting on every hateful act doesn't make any sense. He doesn't play into the MSM narrative, he creates his own narrative.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 2 2017 11:42am

The amount of fake news being peddled by the MSM is disturbing. This, not phantom Russian interference is the real threat to our democracy.

Didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but if this continues i will gladly cast my vote for him in 2020

ew

Voting for the one that couldn't clear the mess?

That's an interesting, counter productive resolve.

It feels gross but I am starting to feel the same way. I mean, I have been at war with the Democratic party since the early 2000s, and I rarely vote for Democrats and instead throw my support to the Greens and various peace and socialism parties. But I may actually vote for a major party in 2020 and it won't be the Democrats if they keep this shit up. A message needs to be sent.

Also, I learned a lot about Brietbart recently. It was founded by a Jewish guy while on a birthright trip to Israel in order to put out news in defense of Jews and Israel. The owner of the publication is Jewish. I find it quite funny that anti-Israel leftists want to try painting Israeli Jews as anti-semitic. I don't know why Bannon hasn't been on the news bringing this fact up.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Mar 2 2017 03:59pm