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#31
Dec 8 2016 09:03am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Dec 8 2016 07:56am)
And what do you say to the victims?

What do you say to the family of Maria Ladenburger?

It's okay. We are going to punish the guy that did it?

That'll bring her back of course. Nevermind protecting the population in the first place, just let em all in and deal with the aftermath.

Sorry, but we don't all see the world as you do.

I'm fine with offering military and monetary aid to these poor people, but it should be done without putting our own innocents at risk.


our country is at risk when you paint boogeymen of entire groups of people because of the acts of individuals

it breeds hatred and ignorance and produces hostility which puts all groups at risk of violence
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Dec 8 2016 09:06am
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our country is at risk when you paint boogeymen of entire groups of people because of the acts of individuals

it breeds hatred and ignorance and produces hostility which puts all groups at risk of violence


Which is the one and only reason why ISIS commits acts of terrorism in Europe. It incites hate, which alienates young Muslims, and makes them more prone to want to join ISIS. It's the one and only weapon they have, and giving in to this is like "feeding the trolls".
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Dec 8 2016 09:11am
Quote (Leevee @ Dec 8 2016 03:02pm)
And in case you close the borders, what do you say to the hundreds of thousands of would-be refugees who have never done anything wrong, and who will never do anything wrong in the future?

Solidarity comes at a cost. No matter who you help or how many people you help, there will always be bad apples who try to ruin it for everyone. That doesn't mean you should let them ruin it for everyone.


Try to remember that in case somebody you know personally ever happens to be affected. Talk the talk all you want, but when something hits home, it has a way of changing your outlook.
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Dec 8 2016 09:13am
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Try to remember that in case somebody you know personally ever happens to be affected. Talk the talk all you want, but when something hits home, it has a way of changing your outlook.


I do not understand what this has to do with it.

If you are personally affected by something, it's obvious that you are going to feel way more strongly about it than you did beforehand. That doesn't mean that our governments need to make decisions based on these emotions.
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#35
Dec 8 2016 09:18am
Quote (Sakuraba @ Dec 8 2016 07:49am)
that movie was about how a predatory skinhead gang leader took advantage of a confused kid (Edward Norton's character) and used him to promote his ideology, then he finds out in prison how it was all bullshit and changes his ways.

skinheads confusingly love this movie without realizing the message was one of anti-racism


They only watch up to that cringey curb stomp scene then they rewind and rewatch.
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#36
Dec 8 2016 09:27am
Quote (Hooo @ 8 Dec 2016 16:19)
It has nothing to do with percentage or statistics.
You help people in need. Thats it.

And if there are some people coming here making riot, you get them the fuck out again into their cuntry to get bombed, shot or forced into military service - or you imprison them here. I dont mind.
People seeking refuge in a country have to abide by their laws. If they cant do that those people have to go.


Yet: There is a lot of violence on the streets. Not every violence gets dragged out by the media.
The culprits and the victims differe. Sometimes the culprits are from another country. Sometimes the victims are.
What does that have to do with the price of the butter. People who cant behave have to go. Either get them out of the country or into a prison. I dont mind.
And noone will deny that.

It has nothing to do with percentage or statistics.
It has nothing to do with who they are, what name or religion they have
You help people in need.
and you give people who do shit a kick in the nuts.

thats it.


So we must help billions of people and bring them here since there are billions of people that needs help?
Of course we should help but in their home countries. :)











Quote (Hooo @ 8 Dec 2016 16:21)
actually i think its frightening.
it is stupid and pathetic
and frightening
and agressive and naive
but for the most part its frightening

if it were just him, then id have a good laugh too. But once you realise there is a lot people "thinking" like him at least i start to find it much less comical


If you are frightening now what will you be in 5 years from now?
People don't want their country invaded by criminals, murderers, economic migrants that's perfectly understandable.
Just like when hitler invaded countries, now it's the defenders are now considered the bad guys.
How many refugees do you house atm? LOL
Don't be so naive and stupid




Quote (Leevee @ 8 Dec 2016 17:02)
And in case you close the borders, what do you say to the hundreds of thousands of would-be refugees who have never done anything wrong, and who will never do anything wrong in the future?

Solidarity comes at a cost. No matter who you help or how many people you help, there will always be bad apples who try to ruin it for everyone. That doesn't mean you should let them ruin it for everyone.


Wow you're clearly brainwashed to literally self-destruct :lol:
Close the borders and help the poor in their homes, problem solved.
It's far more important to keep yourself secure.

This post was edited by Winternight on Dec 8 2016 09:30am
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Dec 8 2016 09:38am
Quote (Winternight @ 8 Dec 2016 16:27)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSmEkzQyT4I
Don't be so naive and stupid


the clown strike again with that old bias video show from white activit, disguised into some kind of "anti-immigration environmentalist" :D
i think the most hilarious point of that is those people will never help those countries, even if borders are closed, even worse.
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Dec 8 2016 09:41am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 8 Dec 2016 17:38)
the clown strike again with that old bias video show from white activit, disguised into some kind of "anti-immigration environmentalist" :D
i think the most hilarious point of that is those people will never help those countries, even if borders are closed, even worse.


Bad troll is bad
Seek help so you can fix your sad existence ;)
You don't think France have enough problems with immigrants already?
HAHA it's only a "little" bit of crime and terror :lol:
Say that to the victims ÿou puss
Gotta hate leftists that love to watch and support the DEvolution of their own country :rofl:

This post was edited by Winternight on Dec 8 2016 09:47am
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#39
Dec 8 2016 09:42am
Quote (Beowulf @ Dec 8 2016 03:03pm)
our country is at risk when you paint boogeymen of entire groups of people because of the acts of individuals

it breeds hatred and ignorance and produces hostility which puts all groups at risk of violence


I am not painting boogeymen of entire groups. In fact, I have repeatedly said I support helping those who want/need/deserve supporting. What I am saying, is there are better options to helping these people than putting the indigenous population at risk.

Helping refugees is good. Having the preventable death of a 19 year old innocent isn't.
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Dec 8 2016 09:43am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 8 2016 09:38am)
the clown strike again with that old bias video show from white activit, disguised into some kind of "anti-immigration environmentalist" :D
i think the most hilarious point of that is those people will never help those countries, even if borders are closed, even worse.


DING DING DING

when the calls for EU partially funded safezones were ignored and people sat back hoping they'd stay around in Turkey, Greece, etc they missed an opportunity. The EU could have funded poor countries with failing economies like Greece to handle the situation or at the very least heavily stem the flow across Europe. They gambled and now have to deal with the problem closer to home, same thing we've done for 20 years by looking at illegal border crossing immigration as a minor issue. Now anecdotes are spilled with "what if it was your daughter" rhetoric attached in both situations and cause big moves to be made.
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