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Jul 7 2016 12:21pm
The Republicans have cried wolf against the Clintons so many times that no ones cares what they have to say on the matter anymore. Hardly anyone takes the GOP seriously these days, and this is exactly the sort of political fuckfest that this party enjoys because they would rather be doing anything else but their actual jobs.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has lied to the American public so many times and has proven to be so exceptionally untrustworthy time and time again that apparently no one gives a shit about that anymore, either.

Republicans making absolute fools of themselves in their poorly-executed attempts to expose yet another Clinton scandal and display of corruption is the ultimate spectacle of the state of affairs of modern American politics in Washington D.C.

This is exactly what Americans are desensitized to and why most of us don't give a fuck anymore. This is business as usual. We no longer hold our government and public servants up to high standards because we have been trained to think that this is normal.
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Jul 7 2016 12:54pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 7 2016 01:21pm)
The Republicans have cried wolf against the Clintons so many times that no ones cares what they have to say on the matter anymore. Hardly anyone takes the GOP seriously these days, and this is exactly the sort of political fuckfest that this party enjoys because they would rather be doing anything else but their actual jobs.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has lied to the American public so many times and has proven to be so exceptionally untrustworthy time and time again that apparently no one gives a shit about that anymore, either.

Republicans making absolute fools of themselves in their poorly-executed attempts to expose yet another Clinton scandal and display of corruption is the ultimate spectacle of the state of affairs of modern American politics in Washington D.C.

This is exactly what Americans are desensitized to and why most of us don't give a fuck anymore. This is business as usual. We no longer hold our government and public servants up to high standards because we have been trained to think that this is normal.


What exactly are you talking about? They don't have to expose the scandal, the FBI investigated it and revealed their findings. They are just illuminating what the FBI has already said. This may surprise you, but many Americans don't understand why Hillary wasn't charged, so questioning the FBI Director's decision seems to be a reasonable example of transparency. The FBI Director himself constantly talked about how transparency is a good thing.
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Jul 7 2016 01:57pm
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What exactly are you talking about? They don't have to expose the scandal, the FBI investigated it and revealed their findings. They are just illuminating what the FBI has already said. This may surprise you, but many Americans don't understand why Hillary wasn't charged, so questioning the FBI Director's decision seems to be a reasonable example of transparency. The FBI Director himself constantly talked about how transparency is a good thing.


Republicans have completely and utterly botched another attempt to bring a Clinton down, and I'm not just talking about the Congressional hearing that took place today. The disaster and embarrassment that was the Benghazi questioning is just another recent example. Examine this situation in its broader context. This is the same sort of political spectacle that we've been seeing from this dysfunctional party since the late 1990s.

I'm not surprised that many Americans don't understand why Hillary Clinton was not indicted on criminal charges. On the contrary: the legal system is complex, and just because someone might have done something reckless and repeatedly lied about it doesn't mean they are necessarily subject to an indictment of criminality. That's not something easily understood, and Comey's statements leading up to his announcement of the FBI's recommendation make things particularly confusing. As I mentioned in my OP, I do not object to this decision in isolation.

Additionally, I certainly do not disagree with the decision to have James Comey testify before Congress. There are a lot of unanswered questions, but Republicans have yet again gone about them in all the wrong ways. The hearing came across as another witch hunt rather than a legitimate probe into how and why the decision was made: What of 18 US Code § 793(f)? Why is the FBI speculating about how a reasonable prosecution would behave instead of simply presenting the information found during their investigation?

The main point of discussion of this thread is not to analyze the inner-workings of the FBI's decision not to indict Hillary Clinton or Comey's testification before Congress but rather challenge citizens to hold our government and public officials to higher standards and also stand back and examine this situation in the broader scope of American politics, especially in the context of the culture of secrecy in Washington D.C.

As I mentioned earlier, I think we are so consumed with how this decision affects the upcoming presidential cycle that we are forgetting the bigger picture. Our likely next president is exceptionally untrustworthy, and that's a big problem that doesn't simply disappear after she defeats Donald Trump. It's our civic duty to criticize Clinton for repeatedly lying to us and hold our leadership up to higher standards of honesty and integrity, and all I'm seeing here is indifference.
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Jul 7 2016 02:07pm
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Republicans have completely and utterly botched another attempt to bring a Clinton down, and I'm not just talking about the Congressional hearing that took place today. The disaster and embarrassment that was the Benghazi questioning is just another recent example. Examine this situation in its broader context. This is the same sort of political spectacle that we've been seeing from this dysfunctional party since the late 1990s.

I'm not surprised that many Americans don't understand why Hillary Clinton was not indicted on criminal charges. On the contrary: the legal system is complex, and just because someone might have done something reckless and repeatedly lied about it doesn't mean they are necessarily subject to an indictment of criminality. That's not something easily understood, and Comey's statements leading up to his announcement of the FBI's recommendation make things particularly confusing. As I mentioned in my OP, I do not object to this decision in isolation.

Additionally, I certainly do not disagree with the decision to have James Comey testify before Congress. There are a lot of unanswered questions, but Republicans have yet again gone about them in all the wrong ways. The hearing came across as another witch hunt rather than a legitimate probe into how and why the decision was made: What of 18 US Code § 793(f)? Why is the FBI speculating about how a reasonable prosecution would behave instead of simply presenting the information found during their investigation?

The main point of discussion of this thread is not to analyze the inner-workings of the FBI's decision not to indict Hillary Clinton or Comey's testification before Congress but rather challenge citizens to hold our government and public officials to higher standards and also stand back and examine this situation in the broader scope of American politics, especially in the context of the culture of secrecy in Washington D.C.

As I mentioned earlier, I think we are so consumed with how this decision affects the upcoming presidential cycle that we are forgetting the bigger picture. Our likely next president is exceptionally untrustworthy, and that's a big problem that doesn't simply disappear after she defeats Donald Trump. It's our civic duty to criticize Clinton for repeatedly lying to us and hold our leadership up to higher standards of honesty and integrity, and all I'm seeing here is indifference.


Typing more paragraphs won't turn this molehill issue into a mountain.
It's over and done with, take away what you want from it.

I'm sure the social revolution you're attempting to mount will be super successful, the troops of d2jsp.org will set D.C straight!
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Jul 7 2016 05:06pm
Don't have time to read the whole thing but I think I get the gist, I'll just stick to posting all responses to the GOP's "Emailghazi" Big Lie to your thread for convenience. Anybody who values justice should celebrate this. It would have been absurd to set an entirely new legal standard by recommending charges in this case, not to mention how disgusting it would have been to add the DOJ rubber-stamp on top of that simply because conspiracy theories were offered about a public meeting between 2 people who had public events previously scheduled. We should let facts decide and they did.

Clinton's a fantastic candidate in terms of her qualifications. Anyone who's ever had any interaction with the government communication system understands that we've got a serious problem: it's outdated and burdensome, and it couldn't even be paused to properly investigate something that people are alleging Clinton did in the first place. We have an over-classification problem, and every month we declassify files that have been publicly-available on the Internet for a decade. Given what we know about the hack at the State Department and OMB, we clearly didn't suffer re: security with information being routed through her server. We can't have top secret information localized in foreign countries when our diplomats are there, so there are only so many options.

Clinton is not "fundamentally untrustworthy." That's laughable given 30 years of evidence. Comey validated practically everything she spent the last year saying, listen to what he said and pair to to what we know: 7 of the 8 email chains he acknowledged contained information involved the drone program that the NYT reported on 3 years ago, the 8th was correspondence with Malawi's former president. That means she didn't even remotely compromise national security. He confirmed there was no identifiable header on the 3 documents that "bore markings" of classified material, and said it was reasonable of her to infer that said documents were not classified as a result, which supports Clinton's belief that she never sent or received information that was classified at the time. He confirmed she didn't lie to FBI investigators, and explained how Berger, Petraeus, and past cases involving intelligence were far more grievous. So many of the silly charges against her fell apart when even the flimsiest amount of scrutiny was applied, as per the usual.

It's same shit different faux-scandal. I honestly don't know how people are dumb enough to keep falling for this.
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Jul 7 2016 05:08pm
not competent enough to use secure servers for classified emails...


competent enough to be president..... sounds about right in america
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Jul 8 2016 12:22am
Hillary is the new teflon don.
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