Quote (Mangix @ 23 Jun 2016 13:04)

Why do people in the stay camp hate poor people and want to punish them by bringing in loads of unskilled workers so that they're forced further into government assistance via the massive deficit of low skill jobs?

Quote (Scaly @ Jun 23 2016 08:53am)

We don't hate poor people. We just don't want to make the whole country poor.

Quote (Mangix @ 23 Jun 2016 13:54)

Increasing the % of poor people seems to contradict that statement.

Quote (dro94 @ Jun 23 2016 01:47pm)

received, good luck



I agree that immigration is a problem and we as a small, densely populated island cannot cope with the current levels of migration long term.

However, leaving the EU doesn't solve this. Any free trade agreement crafted with the EU would have to allow the free movement of people, it is a founding principle of the EU, along with the free movement of goods, services and capital. Look at Norway and Switzerland, they are outside the EU but have uncontrolled EU immigration, it is unavoidable either way. All we can do is reduce the incentive through benefits, which we did do during the renegotiation. We could also build more houses, which is a domestic problem unaffiliated with the EU, and a result of incompetent governments that only look ahead a few years.

Migration coming from outside the EU is not controlled by EU laws, so why is that at a similar level to EU migration to the UK? If we could control our borders outside the EU so effectively, you'd think lawmakers would have done that with immigrants from the middle east, africa and asia first...



Norway is in the EEA which means they have agreed to the free movement of goods, services, capital and people. They are acting under EU regulations.





I disagree, there is a physical limit to infrastructure and service provision. It's constrained to the wealth of the nation and the resources (including land), which we are not in excess supply of. I'm in the remain camp but I am worried about the future of the NHS, and the housing market in particular.



I hate not having the sovereignty to regulate what has to be included on food labels too! fuk da EU!!11!!!

Quote (WNxIrvine @ Jun 23 2016 03:04pm)

The trouble is the incentives aren't just government handouts. They are jobs that pay much more money than regular jobs back home. And you can't just say "we'll pay a british x amount and Europeans x amount".

Why can't we join a trade agreement but without free movement but with a tariff on imported goods? That would mean the people that needed European trade could carry on, admittedly with a "tax" but it would encourage British citizens to use British business which would help our economy, especially in sectors that are struggling to compete with other countries. (genuine question)

Quote (dro94 @ Jun 23 2016 02:19pm)

So British consumers are gonna have to pay a tax on 50% of imported goods in a post EU society? Good to know...

Quote (WNxIrvine @ 23 Jun 2016 14:04)

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Why can't we join a trade agreement but without free movement but with a tariff on imported goods? That would mean the people that needed European trade could carry on, admittedly with a "tax" but it would encourage British citizens to use British business which would help our economy, especially in sectors that are struggling to compete with other countries. (genuine question)

Quote (brmv @ Jun 23 2016 02:35pm)

you know that works both ways
there was an interesting interview on (australian) abc with a british farmer (supplying the domestic market and exporting) asking his opinion, his comment was that for profitability of his business he relies on constant import of equipment from the czech republic, the netherlands and germany
if he has to pay more for replacement equipment and his exports would attract duties/tariffs he might have to close shop
not saying that this applies in general but just highlighting that the issues are a little more complex than you seem to assume

Quote (remco6 @ Jun 23 2016 01:30pm)

Because with a death rate of 9.34/1000 that's a net gain of 200,000 per year so 300,000 additional people is well over double. Why should countries be taking 300,000 per year ? That seems ridiculously excessive. Is this a permanent commitment or a temporary measure to deal with curent crisis in Syria?