What about the unintentional killing of a living being, should we start charging women who miscarry with involuntary manslaughter?

Nice try. Miscarriage is quite natural and common, and happens for reasons that can be quite beyond the control of the mother and you know that.

By that rationale a television set is alive and conscious. But no.... it's not. It may be turned "on", but it's not conscious, it has no individuality, no independent instinct, it's merely "on", growing organic material. It's about as alive as a a hermit crab or carrot. Tell me, do carrots dream?



I guess my toilet has a conscious, too. After all, I do pray to it from time-to-time.

This post was edited by CarsV on Aug 17 2015 07:29am

Rationale? You have NONE.



Fetuses are known to respond to stimuli.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_memory

Go educate yourself.



Answer the question, don't dodge. I answered yours. What makes consciousness a prerequisite for being a human?

You know what? I'm bored as shit with this "conversation". I'm not advocating women should rip 7-9 month old babies from their wombs. But, you can't substantiate a single fact that makes you alive and conscious when in the womb, but you sure can make loads of deflections to avoid the obvious questions. Well guess what, it doesn't work like that, you can't prove something doesn't exist, you can only prove something does exist. So please, in your own time, prove to everyone here that you, Mr. Guy "Santara" Fawkes was alive and conscious when you were, say... 2-4 months in the womb. I mean you, as an personality, an ego, an individual, not just a collection of cells.

This post was edited by CarsV on Aug 17 2015 07:45am

Do you even fucking understand what consciousness is? I get the impression you're just going through the motions from what some anti-abortion crew drilled into your yep-yep mind.

This post was edited by CarsV on Aug 17 2015 07:48am

Death is quite natural and common too, and it looks like you have a firm understanding on what involuntary means.

Not sure how you could rationalize murder charges for some, then let every involuntary manslaughter walk away consequence free.
Do you actually want justice for loss of life, or are you just on a witch hunt?

By the way, let's not forget to remind the LADIES what their thoughts in all this are. After all, they're the ones who have to deal with shitheads like Huckabee telling a 10 year old a rape baby is not their choice to bear.

You're bored because you need an excuse to run the fuck away from being rekt.

I can't substantiate that I am alive and/or conscious in the womb? Can you demonstrate how a dead fetus grows in the womb? Because I'm pretty fucking solidly convinced only living fetuses can keep growing. Alive or dead, which is it, Mr Smartypants?



Of course I do. You however clearly do not, even with a simple dictionary reference included for your perusal.

The intentional death however is not. It is purely the result of a conscious decision to engage in it.

I simply want to make it illegal to kill people. I just have a more expansive definition of people that include people who are 0-9 months old.