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Jul 29 2014 09:45am
Quote (Santara @ Jul 29 2014 10:12am)
Seeing something isn't the only means of proving something for starters. And what you've experienced vs what I've experienced can be all the difference in the world as to why I believe in God and you do not.


Obviously seeing something isn't the only way of proving something exists. That is the exact reason I used air as an example.... After seeing your guild name, maybe if you experienced a deployment in a combat role you might have different beliefs.
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Jul 29 2014 09:48am
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Obviously seeing something isn't the only way of proving something exists. That is the exact reason I used air as an example.... After seeing your guild name, maybe if you experienced a deployment in a combat role you might have different beliefs.


Have you heard the saying there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole?
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Jul 29 2014 09:49am
..." only a fool says there is no God " .
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I made these in paint using an einstien picture i found online.



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Jul 29 2014 09:51am
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Have you heard the saying there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole?
I am living proof of that not being true.

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..." only a fool says there is no God " .


I never said a god or something greater doesn't exist. I only stated that I've mainly seen evidence of the contrary.

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Jul 29 2014 10:52am
Quote (Santara @ Jul 29 2014 10:50am)
With a proof you'd accept? Of course not. It's why we call it "faith." Similarly, you cannot prove He doesn't exist, and any statement of certainty on your part that He doesn't exist is also a matter of faith. I have faith He exists, you have faith He doesn't. Neither of us can prove our position however.


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Jul 29 2014 10:56am
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I am living proof of that not being true.



I never said a god or something greater doesn't exist. I only stated that I've mainly seen evidence of the contrary.


Its not true in the absolute sense, but its a sign that combat and fear of death lead people to believe in fairy tales zombies invisible men religious entities and not the other way around.

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Jul 29 2014 11:32am
Quote (S3th @ Jul 29 2014 09:17am)
It baffles me why an omnipotent creator would create an entire galaxy for his chosen children to inhabit only 0.0000000000000000000000000000015% of its area, for only 0.00004% of its history.


If we take all the empty space into consideration, its about 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000031% of the volume of the observable universe
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Jul 29 2014 11:47am
I dont have enough faith to be an atheist, that the universe can can come from nothing without any kind of will or force. Of course believing in a form of deism is different then believing in a personal god of one of many clearly manmade religious controls that's been provided to us over the centuries.

Ive done a ton of soul searching so to speak in the last few years, read and studied the arguments on both sides of the issues. In the end I'd label myself a agnostic, and the golden rule is the only principle you need for morality.

Here's a good moderated debates on this :


IntelligenceSquared Debates
Death Is Not Final
http://youtu.be/h0YtL5eiBYw

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