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Jun 8 2013 08:48pm
Quote (AEtheric @ Jun 9 2013 12:09pm)
You have not stated one reason why you are right and I am wrong except for bullshit answers. Science is not simply believing in natural laws. It also deals with theories and hypotheses which can be wrong, and must be infallible in order to continue in scientific discourse. However, some people have faith in science so much that they believe that they can accept everything in it with no scruples otherwise.  Apparently you are in this camp with the rest of them.


This is not anywhere close to true.

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This is not anywhere close to true.


Yeah, keep on giving me one-liners with no elaboration whatsoever. I'm definitely leaning towards your side of the issue since you have given such great discussion.
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Jun 8 2013 08:51pm
hopefully this is just a bad troll attempt -_-

This post was edited by duffman316 on Jun 8 2013 08:51pm
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I agree, but this doesn't mean that everyone doesn't cling to more absolute beliefs in the face of adversity. I believe that is a horse that has been dead and beaten for quite a long time. If we used another study for a control with the same methods, most likely, we would receive the same results, except one of them would use religious faith instead of faith in science. If you want, I could probably pull up some studies with religion to see if they behave in a similar manner. It doesn't matter how religious the people were in the control group, as they didnt' have one, and if it is shown through other, non-identical studies, that they turn to their faith in the face of adversity, would you still have something against this study?


my comments were directed against the way this study was conducted
whatever other studies you would be able to link would have to stay on their own merits
so to answer the bolded:

yes because other studies cannot justify the poor quality of this study
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my comments were directed against the way this study was conducted
whatever other studies you would be able to link would have to stay on their own merits
so to answer the bolded:

yes because other studies cannot justify the poor quality of this study


Nit-picking.
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Jun 8 2013 09:07pm
Quote (AEtheric @ 9 Jun 2013 03:01)
Nit-picking.


it's not nitpicking, it is an issue of comprehension
while you might be able to prove an assumption with a correct prove but that does not make another yet wrong prove correct
the assumption for the wrong prove may be correct but the prove is still wrong
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Jun 8 2013 09:14pm
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it's not nitpicking, it is an issue of comprehension
while you might be able to prove an assumption with a correct prove but that does not make another yet wrong prove correct
the assumption for the wrong prove may be correct but the prove is still wrong


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Jun 8 2013 09:18pm
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wat


I second this.
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wat


since you did not follow the discussion, your useless post is excused

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I second this.


there is a difference between a theorem/proposition and the process to prove it
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Quote (AEtheric @ Jun 8 2013 05:53pm)
Should those who are atheists or those "I fucking love science" *bleep*, or both, be considered as having faith in science? It appears there are many fictitious constructions within science, but yet they still have faith in it, betraying their own common sense and the scientific method over a faith-filled scientific democracy among the mainstream? This article itself shows that these science *bleep*  pray to their gods of Einstein and Michio Kaku in order to relieve stress just like theists pray to their god(s). I wonder when people will WAKE UP SHEEPLE and understand that science isn't infallible, like most of these *bleep*  do.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/08/atheists-use-science-like-believers-use-faith-in-times-of-stress-says-study/


i think this is for one, clearly bias, but for two, once the bias is translated, it is partly true.


but the huge difference between the two (science / religious faith) is that people that follow science are more likely to be excepting of changes in the belief, even if it were to shake the foundation of the belief structure to the core ( i.e. if the big bang was proven impossible without doubt), because it is a structure built, not on sketchy hear-say, but on solid, peer-reviewed, repeatable evidence, or a logical theory derived from that evidence.
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