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May 13 2013 11:35am
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I'm pretty sure he is just the greatest troll to ever grace the jsp forums.


Trolls who can't engage in intelligent banter at least some of the time are not trolls to me, merely fools.
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May 13 2013 11:37am
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Caesar was not Roman Emperor when Pilate was the prefect of Judaea.


3 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar—when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, Herod tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and Traconitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene— 2 during the high-priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness. 3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 4 As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:

“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.
5 Every valley shall be filled in,
every mountain and hill made low.
The crooked roads shall become straight,
the rough ways smooth.
6 And all people will see God’s salvation.’”[a]

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May 13 2013 11:45am
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3 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar—when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, Herod tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and Traconitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene— 2 during the high-priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness. 3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 4 As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet:

“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
    make straight paths for him.
5 Every valley shall be filled in,
    every mountain and hill made low.
The crooked roads shall become straight,
    the rough ways smooth.
6 And all people will see God’s salvation.’”[a]


You don't refer to Tiberius as Caesar, even if Caesar was in his official name. All historic evidence points to Pilate being a run of the mill provincial administrator who wouldn't have listened to the crowds of non-Roman citizens. He was recalled later for being too hard a prefect, abusing his power against the Jews. That's not someone who would have listened to a crowd of people who had questionable allegiance to the Empire and didn't believe in Roman customs.

The Romans are responsible for the complete destruction of the Druids in Gaul, Britain and western Germania. Pilate would have viewed Jesus in a similar way as a druid, as a danger to Roman rule. He viewed Jewish religious leaders in the same way, and Jesus was a Jewish religious leader.
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May 13 2013 11:46am
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...just stop . If you tried teaching that the Jews crucified Jesus you would be run out of any church under the Christian umbrella .


Only in america. The whole "bless the jews" obsession is an american thing.

On the other hand, the 'it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God' passage is taken quite literally elsewhere, while in america it's explained away in a 1001 different ways.

Surprise!
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May 13 2013 11:49am
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Only in america. The whole "bless the jews" obsession is an american thing.

On the other hand, the 'it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God' passage is taken quite literally elsewhere, while in america it's explained away in a 1001 different ways.

Surprise!


No it's not.
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May 13 2013 11:50am
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You don't refer to Tiberius as Caesar, even if Caesar was in his official name. All historic evidence points to Pilate being a run of the mill provincial administrator who wouldn't have listened to the crowds of non-Roman citizens. He was recalled later for being too hard a prefect, abusing his power against the Jews. That's not someone who would have listened to a crowd of people who had questionable allegiance to the Empire and didn't believe in Roman customs.

The Romans are responsible for the complete destruction of the Druids in Gaul, Britain and western Germania. Pilate would have viewed Jesus in a similar way as a druid, as a danger to Roman rule. He viewed Jewish religious leaders in the same way, and Jesus was a Jewish religious leader.


The emperor is Caesar. It is a title. Before him was Caesar Augustus. After him was Tiberius. So not sure how you could ever assert the notion that Pontius Pilate had no Emperor to answer to.

All historic evidence does NOT point to Pilate being the "run of the mill provincial administrator who wouldn't have listened to the crowds", the guy was supposed to be a peace-keeping governor as understood in structure Alexander the Great as setup by being nice to the Jews, relieving them of taxes, and putting a half Jew in leadership (Herod). If the region was destabalized due to rioting, the governor would be responsible. Just read history man.

In order to keep the peace, the Roman officials were very pleased with the Pharisees, because they also kept people in check. Pharisees received favor from Romans, and that was their method of peace. Pharisees wanted Jesus crucified - and that's what happened.
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May 13 2013 11:51am
Quote (aliquis @ May 13 2013 01:46pm)
Only in america. The whole "bless the jews" obsession is an american thing.

On the other hand, the 'it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God' passage is taken quite literally elsewhere, while in america it's explained away in a 1001 different ways.

Surprise!


...son , never ever toss random Scripture citations my way or attempt to interpret them for me . Are we clear ?
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May 13 2013 11:56am
This is for Widow:

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.

Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release ‘the king of the Jews’?”

40 They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!” Now Barabbas had taken part in an uprising.
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May 13 2013 11:56am
I had a professor tell me that Caesar meant "Hairy-Back".
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May 13 2013 11:57am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 13 2013 11:51am)
...son , never ever toss random Scripture citations my way or attempt to interpret them for me . Are we clear ?


I am no one's son, and not your child. Second, I'm not interpreting scripture for you, I'm pointing out that there are regional differences in the way scripture is taken which you apparently aren't aware of. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
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