We don't need to repeal or replace it. The constitutional interpretations are very straightforward (to those that read and understand them) whether they're coming from "liberal" or "conservative" justices. People have a right to own firearms, and there are limitations on that right just like every other. There's no reason to change anything now, and moreover people don't really want to change anything. They don't want to get rid of the second amendment and they don't want to outlaw all gun ownership.

We really just need a better information campaign. Unfortunately that's hard to do in this country (on many issues, not just guns) because some people are worlds apart on the issue and you've got a very vocal (and imbecilic) group that introduces a lot of hysterical rhetoric into the conversation to try to keep those opposing sides from ever appearing like they're close together even though there's much more consensus than it would appear, and that many would care to admit.



It would be pretty dumb of me to waste my time responding to your usual conflations given that you've already proven that you're either unwilling or simply too stupid to comprehend math, especially when it concerns the measurement of public attitudes.

This post was edited by JayKwik on May 9 2013 06:52am

it just occured to me how ironic it is that the folks who want increased federal expenditures on military hardware are the same ones who want their rifles and handguns to protect themselves from a tyrannical government.

I'll never understand why anyone needs a 30 round magazine on a military assault rifle.

11 000 murders from guns in 2008.

Guns should be heavily regulated and laws should be strictly enforced.

Extensive background checks, waiting periods, clip size, no military-grade assault rifles, I'd also argue no handguns but I think that's too much for America to give up.

Join the civilized world.

11,000 murders, near zero of them with 30 or more round clips.

This is the attitude I don't get.

You may be right, but what about mass shootings that are so common in the United States?

Don't pick apart one single point in an effort to avoid the rest.

Guns are bad, they're dangerous and all too easily they end up in the hands of the wrong people.

Most mass shootings are done with hand guns, nearly zero of them are done with 30 round + "assault weapons".
So are knives, cars, toasters, forks, pickaxes, axes, bombs, flamethrowers, poisons..

This post was edited by Lifebane99 on May 9 2013 08:10am

Well, you got that part right. The whole point is that governing according to public attitudes and perceptions (the very thing you make your living doing) is fucking stupid. Like you. Where's your math now?

If I'm not mistaken, both Aurora and Sandy Hook were committed with Assault weapons.

bombs, flamethrowers, and poisons are bad. Knives, cars, toasters, forks, pickaxes, and axes are all important tools in our society

Guns are designed to kill, don't make the guns don't kill people argument.

2 cases, 300,000,000 people.
And in Aurora his "assault weapon" malfunctioned, he used a shot gun first, then fired 30 shots before his rifle jammed, then he used a hand gun.

This post was edited by Lifebane99 on May 9 2013 08:21am

I view it more as 40 people murdered by people who certainly shouldn't have had a weapons as such.

I'm against weapons for any other purpose than hunting.

You can make whatever argument you want, I don't really care. If it weren't for my girlfriend's family living in the US I'd never set foot there again.

This is your domestic issue, but from an outside point-of-view, you look retarded.

Gun Control works just fine here, as I'm sure it does it most countries that have implemented it.