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May 7 2013 06:46am
Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ May 7 2013 01:03am)
>Gun Control
>Free Society

Pick one.


False dichotomy. A free society is more than just the freedom to allow anybody to buy any weapon possible with zero limitations and without thought as to the greater ramifications.

Thats the childish idea that there is no such thing as "too much".

There are other aspects of a free society, like opportunity. The opportunity to not die in a mass shooting. Not have to tote a gun with you wherever you go in fear of violence.
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May 7 2013 09:39am
Quote (Santara @ May 7 2013 06:30am)
Because Liberals tend to forget the part about a well-regulated militia "being necessary to the security of a free state." The right to keep and bear arms was first and foremost a hedge against an all-powerful government. Also, under contemporaneous understanding, ALL men were considered potential members of the militia.



One, that's an argument for an actual militia, not an argument against gun control. Two, weren't you talking about original intent rather than contemporaneous understanding? (nice word of the day, by the way) Three, that's the kind of tortured logic that gives people pause about the judiciary (similarly to the Obamacare ruling, to be honest). We have about as much chance of flapping our arms and flying to the moon as being called up for the militia. And, if by some miracle, we were, the first thing they'd do is pass out weapons.
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May 7 2013 02:31pm
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False dichotomy.  A free society is more than just the freedom to allow anybody to buy any weapon possible with zero limitations and without thought as to the greater ramifications. 

Thats the childish idea that there is no such thing as "too much". 

There are other aspects of a free society, like opportunity.  The opportunity to not die in a mass shooting.  Not have to tote a gun with you wherever you go in fear of violence.


And yet, the places with the lax gun laws are areas where people usually don't fear violence. Would you rather walk through D.C. or Idaho?
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May 7 2013 02:48pm
Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ May 7 2013 02:31pm)
And yet, the places with the lax gun laws are areas where people usually don't fear violence. Would you rather walk through D.C. or Idaho?


correlation vs cause anybody?
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May 7 2013 03:40pm
Quote (PlasmaSnake101 @ May 7 2013 01:31pm)
And yet, the places with the lax gun laws are areas where people usually don't fear violence. Would you rather walk through D.C. or Idaho?


Neither, been to D.C. before it's hot and muggy as fuck and not all that interesting; seen it once you've seen it all.
And fuck potatoes.
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May 7 2013 04:03pm
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And yet, the places with the lax gun laws are areas where people usually don't fear violence. Would you rather walk through D.C. or Idaho?


Why the fuck would anyone want to walk through Idaho?
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May 7 2013 08:20pm
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And yet, the places with the lax gun laws are areas where people usually don't fear violence. Would you rather walk through D.C. or Idaho?


Individual open-border states with some degree of gun control surrounded by an ocean of other states without gun control is an experiment with extremely low validity. There isn't enough saturation when a neighboring state doesn't follow the rules. It's similar to the gun show background check loophole, it defeats the purpose.

You need to look at examples with more reliability, Australia, Japan, Canada, etc.
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May 7 2013 10:31pm
Quote (Black487 @ May 7 2013 06:20pm)
Individual open-border states with some degree of gun control surrounded by an ocean of other states without gun control is an experiment with extremely low validity.  There isn't enough saturation when a neighboring state doesn't follow the rules.  It's similar to the gun show background check loophole, it defeats the purpose. 

You need to look at examples with more reliability, Australia, Japan, Canada, etc.


No blacks in Canada, and I think it's easier to smuggle things into the US than Japan and Australia.
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May 8 2013 01:23am
While I think it is prone to some sort of disaster, I dont see anything wrong with exercising the first amendment and second amendment together.

And saying it should be treated as a rebellion is retarded.
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May 8 2013 04:41am
I don't see how this is an "ultimate test of the second amendment."

I'm all for it though if regular gun owners want to hug the dumb and the crazy.
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