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May 6 2013 08:07am
Quote (wofire @ May 6 2013 05:44am)
God had a purpose for us. He wanted to live in community with us and talk with us. In the garden of Eden, God did that with Adam. He "walked" among the garden and basically placed on identity on Adam. But their was problem, man sinned. I have sinned, you have sinned. Sin is anything that we do/don't do that breaks God's law. I know I have lied, and cheated in the past and so I deserve punishment. a just God needs to punish, right? But he had a plan, that is where Jesus comes in. Jesus lived a perfectly life and died to take away the sins of the world. There was an infinite sacrifice required because the entire human race sinned against God, the only one sufficient to be a sacrifice was perfection, Jesus. So with Jesus we can be reunited with God and bask in his love. Now the reason's there are problems in the world is side affects and residue of sin. People living imperfect lives. So why doesn't God just heal everyone and save everyone? He wants relationship! If everyone was healed immediately, there wouldn't be a relationship that he so longs for. So yeah!


1. Christianity is bullshit.
2. A just punishment does not involve harm. You have the wrong idea of what justice actually is.
3. Since a just punishment does not harm, your "relationship" theory is false.
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May 6 2013 10:41am
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Can allow for such tragedies to strike humanity? Cancer, aids, etc.. Who creates that for their "children"?


If cancer did not exist, would you still posit your question?
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May 6 2013 10:49am
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If cancer did not exist, would you still posit your question?


Yes.
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May 6 2013 11:00am
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Yes.


If AIDS did not exist, would you still posit your question?
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May 6 2013 11:17am
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If AIDS did not exist, would you still posit your question?


Disease in general.
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May 6 2013 11:19am
Quote (OnlyD3 @ May 5 2013 06:59pm)
Can allow for such tragedies to strike humanity? Cancer, aids, etc.. Who creates that for their "children"?


Tragedies to strike humanity, such as cancer?

Humanity is a cancer.












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May 6 2013 11:25am
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Disease in general.


If all disease were cured, would you still posit your question?
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May 6 2013 11:41am
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If all disease were cured, would you still posit your question?


I don't know. There is other suffering caused by humans in the world.

Apparently the argument for that is that humans have "free will". I have a theory that proves free will false.

Why do things happen? It is the reaction of something(s) that happened prior.

Why do we think? Because of chemical reactions in the brain.

How do these chemical reactions happen? Because of prior events that lead up to it.

Why do we act? Because of the reactions in our brains.

Why are we even here? Because everything in the universe interacted with everything else.

For example, a comet smashed into the Earth millions of years ago, bringing organic chemicals which sprung into life. Why did this comet hit us in the first place? Something happened to it that sent it hurdling into space, and eventually into us.

The universe as we know it today is here because of action and reaction. Things were initially set in motion at supposedly the time of the big bang, and this action-reaction chain of everything in the universe has been going on for billions of years.

Our brains are affected by this action and reaction as well.

Let's say we coincidentally (by action and reaction of the universe) wind up in situations throughout our lives. These teach us how to think, what to think, and how to act. Our personalities are formed. This is why some people think differently; because their brain configuration and action/reaction of molecules/particles in their brain are different.

People's actions are entirely determined on what has happened to them in the past, and what is going on around them in any respective moment. This is why there is no free will.
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May 6 2013 11:45am
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I don't know. There is other suffering caused by humans in the world.

Apparently the argument for that is that humans have "free will". I have a theory that proves free will false.

Why do things happen? It is the reaction of something(s) that happened prior.

Why do we think? Because of chemical reactions in the brain.

How do these chemical reactions happen? Because of prior events that lead up to it.

Why do we act? Because of the reactions in our brains.

Why are we even here? Because everything in the universe interacted with everything else.

For example, a comet smashed into the Earth millions of years ago, bringing organic chemicals which sprung into life. Why did this comet hit us in the first place? Something happened to it that sent it hurdling into space, and eventually into us.

The universe as we know it today is here because of action and reaction. Things were initially set in motion at supposedly the time of the big bang, and this action-reaction chain of everything in the universe has been going on for billions of years.

Our brains are affected by this action and reaction as well.

Let's say we coincidentally (by action and reaction of the universe) wind up in situations throughout our lives. These teach us how to think, what to think, and how to act. Our personalities are formed. This is why some people think differently; because their brain configuration and action/reaction of molecules/particles in their brain are different.

People's actions are entirely determined on what has happened to them in the past, and what is going on around them in any respective moment. This is why there is no free will.


A bit off track, but you answered your own question then. It doesn't matter if its cancer or aids, or any amount of death. God allows it. Your question is why does God allow it. The charge of cancer, aids, and billions of death is irrelevant.

My question for you is, why does action/reaction negate free will? A person's reaction to something is not set. A reaction has a number of different options to choose from. It is still free will.
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May 6 2013 11:46am
Quote (OnlyD3 @ May 6 2013 01:41pm)
I don't know. There is other suffering caused by humans in the world.

Apparently the argument for that is that humans have "free will". I have a theory that proves free will false.

Why do things happen? It is the reaction of something(s) that happened prior.

Why do we think? Because of chemical reactions in the brain.

How do these chemical reactions happen? Because of prior events that lead up to it.

Why do we act? Because of the reactions in our brains.

Why are we even here? Because everything in the universe interacted with everything else.

For example, a comet smashed into the Earth millions of years ago, bringing organic chemicals which sprung into life. Why did this comet hit us in the first place? Something happened to it that sent it hurdling into space, and eventually into us.

The universe as we know it today is here because of action and reaction. Things were initially set in motion at supposedly the time of the big bang, and this action-reaction chain of everything in the universe has been going on for billions of years.

Our brains are affected by this action and reaction as well.

Let's say we coincidentally (by action and reaction of the universe) wind up in situations throughout our lives. These teach us how to think, what to think, and how to act. Our personalities are formed. This is why some people think differently; because their brain configuration and action/reaction of molecules/particles in their brain are different.

People's actions are entirely determined on what has happened to them in the past, and what is going on around them in any respective moment. This is why there is no free will.


Our environment formed and shaped us, and no there is no purely "free" will, however we do still exercise agency through decisions and the performance of our daily routines. Individuals have a capacity to exercise agency within the constraints created and reinforced by their environment.
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