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Apr 14 2013 06:46pm
Quote (ArcticShadow @ 15 Apr 2013 00:18)
Denial does not equal debunked.
Science is against you on this.


first comes the question 'what does an iq test measure' and is the test set-up ethnic centric but regardless
that there is a difference in average iq between the racial groups in the usa does not translate to this being the fact overall
you have to look at migration pattern, eg did the average iq of those negro slaves imported into america match the average iq of the african population
and especially one should not forget that there is a distribution within those populations
there are plenty whites with low iq in america and those are most likely to love those local statistics
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Apr 14 2013 06:47pm
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 14 2013 06:45pm)
Your not a very good anarchist when you support the state locking somebody in a cage for crossing the street.


You're not a very good communist opposing community consensus like this.
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Apr 14 2013 06:48pm
Quote (killgoreisleet @ Apr 14 2013 07:47pm)
You're not a very good communist opposing community consensus like this.


Lol I'm not a communist. I believe property can by owned by private individuals legitimately in the social contract. That makes me very non-communist.
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The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

Race Differences are Most Pronounced on Tests that Best Measure the General Intelligence Factor (g). Black-White differences, for example, are larger on the Backward Digit Span test than on the less g loaded Forward Digit Span test.

The Gene-Environment Architecture of IQ is the Same in all Races, and Race Differences are Most Pronounced on More Heritable Abilities. Studies of Black, White, and East Asian twins, for example, show the heritability of IQ is 50% or higher in all races.

Brain Size Differences. Studies using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) find a correlation of brain size with IQ of about 0.40. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses and process information faster. Race differences in brain size are present at birth. By adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more cranial capacity than Whites who average 5 cubic inches more than Blacks.

Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

Racial Admixture Studies. Black children with lighter skin, for example, average higher IQ scores. In South Africa, the IQ of the mixed-race "Colored" population averages 85, intermediate to the African 70 and White 100.

IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages--Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.

Race Differences in Other "Life-History" Traits. East Asians and Blacks consistently fall at two ends of a continuum with Whites intermediate on 60 measures of maturation, personality, reproduction, and social organization. For example, Black children sit, crawl, walk, and put on their clothes earlier than Whites or East Asians.

Race Differences and the Out-of-Africa theory of Human Origins. East Asian-White-Black differences fit the theory that modern humans arose in Africa about 100,000 years ago and expanded northward. During prolonged winters there was evolutionary selection for higher IQ created by problems of raising children, gathering and storing food, gaining shelter, and making clothes.

Do Culture-Only Theories Explain the Data? Culture-only theories do not explain the highly consistent pattern of race differences in IQ, especially the East Asian data. No interventions such as ending segregation, introducing school busing, or "Head Start" programs have reduced the gaps as culture-only theory would predict.


Your own garbage debunks itself, american africans score 15 points higher than african, if it was genetic such a ridiculous difference would not exist.
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Apr 14 2013 06:49pm
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 14 2013 07:45pm)
How could your study possibly isolate genetics as a variable?  Even cultures that are more successful than others have bigger brains due to nutrition which is social not genetic.

I just don't see how they could have done this.  Do you have an original peer reviewed journal that they did?  Or is your evidence just something that somebody posted on a website?


There is no question that differences in IQ among the races exist.

How can a reasonable person believe that DNA can affect every physical attribute except intelligence.

It's tantamount to evolution denial.
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Apr 14 2013 06:49pm
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There is no question that differences in IQ among the races exist.

How can a reasonable person believe that DNA can affect every physical attribute except  intelligence.

It's tantamount to evolution denial.


So what you're saying is intelligence is a phenotype? Or transmitted similar to one.

You don't think it is brain size from higher caloric intake over successive generations? Isn't that much more likely? Especially considering our common ancestor?

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 14 2013 06:50pm
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Your own garbage debunks itself, american africans score 15 points higher than african, if it was genetic such a ridiculous difference would not exist.


That is because so many of them in America have some white DNA.
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Apr 14 2013 06:54pm
Quote (ArcticShadow @ Apr 15 2013 10:50am)
That is because so many of them in America have some white DNA.


Nonsense,
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Apr 14 2013 06:58pm
Quote (Lifebane99 @ Apr 14 2013 07:54pm)
Nonsense,


No, it's not. Many U.S. blacks have a white ancestor. Rapes of slaves by owners was common a few hundred years ago, and some consensual interracial relationships happened.

Even with the advantage of having some white DNA that allows American blacks to score higher than the African ones, they sill perform much lower than whites on IQ tests.

This post was edited by ArcticShadow on Apr 14 2013 06:59pm
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Apr 14 2013 07:08pm
Quote (ArcticShadow @ Apr 15 2013 10:58am)
No, it's not.  Many U.S. blacks have a white ancestor.  Rapes of slaves by owners was common a few hundred years ago, and some consensual interracial relationships happened.

Even with the advantage of having some white DNA that allows American blacks to score higher than the African ones,  they sill perform much lower than whites on IQ tests.


I can not believe you are really this ignorant.
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