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#31
May 12 2012 03:28pm
Quote (piddywiffle @ May 12 2012 04:18pm)
Because you can carry the gene, not express it (heterozygote), and have viable offspring.

I thought I mentioned this already?


That doesn't stop natural selection though. Recessive disadvantages still vanish over time if there's no advantage attached to counterbalance it.
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#32
May 12 2012 03:30pm
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Homosexuality has proven to be rooted in biological structures. People and the whole "choice" hypothesis is baloney.


Sorry, but no.

Feel free to post a link to some evidence if you want to support that outlandish claim, otherwise just expect people to dismiss it and laugh.
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#33
May 12 2012 03:31pm
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That doesn't stop natural selection though.  Recessive disadvantages still vanish over time if there's no advantage attached to counterbalance it.


There are instance in which there is a heterozygote advantage.

Sickle cell and Malaria is an example of this.

Again I point out that, in many instance, homosexuality is not exclusive. There are many instance in which a homosexual person will produce children with another person.

The same idea could apply for our predecessors in which they wouldn't have retained a relationship with members of the same sex for any extended period of time.
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#34
May 12 2012 03:35pm
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Homosexuality has proven to be rooted in biological structures. People and the whole "choice" hypothesis is baloney.

But of course, it's baloney that people that murder are just "making bad choices" as well

the double standard.


Who or what is "Homosexuality" and how has it* proven the infinitive passive of the verb "to root"?

*he? she? it?
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#35
May 12 2012 03:37pm
Quote (RUSSiABANK @ May 12 2012 05:24pm)
Homosexuality has proven to be rooted in biological structures. People and the whole "choice" hypothesis is baloney.

But of course, it's baloney that people that murder are just "making bad choices" as well

the double standard.


Waaaittttt.....

So homosexuality and murderous tendencies are biological, but not ADD, ADHD, depression, bipolar disorder?
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#36
May 12 2012 03:39pm
Quote (RUSSiABANK @ May 12 2012 04:24pm)
Homosexuality has proven to be rooted in biological structures. People and the whole "choice" hypothesis is baloney.

But of course, it's baloney that people that murder are just "making bad choices" as well

the double standard.


All sexuality is rooted in biological structures... that's kind of the most important part.

Quote (piddywiffle @ May 12 2012 04:31pm)
There are instance in which there is a heterozygote advantage.

Sickle cell and Malaria is an example of this.

Again I point out that, in many instance, homosexuality is not exclusive.  There are many instance in which a homosexual person will produce children with another person.

The same idea could apply for our predecessors in which they wouldn't have retained a relationship with members of the same sex for any extended period of time.


A plausible theory.
Doesn't have anything to do with the "society oppression" theory though ;)
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May 12 2012 03:44pm
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All sexuality is rooted in biological structures... that's kind of the most important part.



A plausible theory.
Doesn't have anything to do with the "society oppression" theory though ;)


It does.

As society has developed it has placed pressure on individuals and their sexuality to behave in the way that it is defined.

There are still homosexual men and women that are in heterosexual relationships and are having children. The reason they are still in this relationship is from the fear of societies reaction to their coming out.

On the flip side of that... Society also pins gay men and women to remain gay. Once you come out, you're out. If you decide you want to have sex with a member of the opposite sex, you run the risk of alienating yourself by stepping all over your prior stance.

While I don't think either of my ideas are absolute, I do feel that there is a bit of both happening at the same time.
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#38
May 12 2012 06:55pm
Quote (Voyaging @ May 12 2012 02:19pm)
Or perhaps all sexual behavior is really on a spectrum rather than a straight-up hetero/homo distinction, and the presence of this gene is powerful enough to far outshadow female attraction in male carriers.


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#39
May 12 2012 07:33pm
Quote (Voyaging @ May 12 2012 01:37pm)
Waaaittttt.....

So homosexuality and murderous tendencies are biological, but not ADD, ADHD, depression, bipolar disorder?


Quote (topman @ May 12 2012 04:55pm)
ding ding ding ding!


Voyaging earns the grand prize for today.
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#40
May 13 2012 03:11am
Very interesting stuff. I do wish to commend Voyage for how well he handled commentary in this thread.
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