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Apr 23 2012 10:23pm
Quote (jerds24 @ Apr 23 2012 11:17pm)
It can be intuitive, but a goal still be a goal notherless. You simply cannot escape to plan short or long term goal.

The idea and the possibles problems are the expections behind theses human created goals. It's the possibility of feeling satisfaction or suffering depending on the finnality of theses goals.


It is not the expectations. It is the moment a person focuses on one single production.
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Apr 23 2012 10:25pm
Quote (GodlessDeity @ 23 Apr 2012 23:23)
It is not the expectations. It is the moment a person focuses on one single production.


But that focus is just one of our many aspects that can help us to create something beautiful. Without that focus on a single goal, there would be much less art, for instance. And I think we can agree that art is awesome.

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Think of it this way. Is there such thing as a proper ''enlightenment''? Is enlightenment not a facade of itself? Awareness will always be vague, but it can be manifested by all means.


There is, but it's always a moment. That's the point. There have to be other things to do. If one decides to focus on one of those other things for a while, it's fine. The real danger is in taking it too seriously.
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Apr 23 2012 10:33pm
Quote (GodlessDeity @ Apr 23 2012 11:23pm)
It is not the expectations. It is the moment a person focuses on one single production.


We are humans and our brains is mechanistic. You cannot escape the brain and his funtion have imagine goals and choose to pursue or let go. His focus can only be based on one thing at a time but the brain is continually actualizing the goals of this human life.

Even if you choose to keep the goals opens, don't forget that you're precisely planning the goal of trying to avoid of having goals. It's like a dog running after his tail.

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Apr 23 2012 10:46pm
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@ bold tell me how you know people's thoughts? How do you know that every single person in the whole damn world haven't put any serious thought or infallible information that people simply can not turn away from, because it holds a lot of reason? Did you go up to every single person in the whole world and ask them their thoughts? I doubt that you did. You cannot claim to know what people's thoughts are or what their motives are. You certainly cannot make a worldwide judgement that everybody makes goals for the purpose of self gain. It only takes one person to prove you wrong and out of 5 billion people in this world, the chances are very likely that one will think otherwise as to what you are saying right now.

Now when you say Mankind do you mean the whole entire world itself? As in every single person in this whole world are making non-linear decisions? While I may agree that some are making non-linear decisions that certainly doesn't mean that all are making non-linear decisions. What about those in mankind that are not making non-linear decisions? You haven't expressed your thoughts about them by any means. You assume that all of mankind are making non-linear decisions when I highly doubt that you have met every single person in this whole world.

You claim that some people don't put much thought into their immaterial goals. Last I checked, people get inspired by something and they make a decision that they will one day achieve their end goal. Many people would then give up when it gets too tough. The few that keep going do achieve their ultimate goal and you say that the individuals shouldn't have made that goal in the first place? If there are no goals that also takes away inspiration, which usually comes before goals. Imagine a world where there is nobody to look up to in your life. No role model. No outstanding name to live your life by, nothing to strive towards and succeed. That is essentially what your ultimate goal is. To have no goals at all for anybody to have. This isn't a game of Jenga where you take away one block and the building still stands. This is a building in the form of a triangle. If you take away one piece, in your case having goals the entire structure will collapse.

What I'm saying is if you take away goals, you take away inspiration and direction in life. You would rather the whole world to wander around like a kid in a huge shopping mall. You also say that goals are like anchors which limit all of your possibilities because you have to strive towards that and ignore everything else. While that may be partly true but think of it this day: An Athlete wants to be the best he can be so he must sacrifice all the fatty and bad foods that he eats. He may have to miss that party but along with it a nights out with some friends. You didn't take into consideration the possibility of hindering them from all the bad possibilities as well as the good ones. In the end the Athlete becomes has a very successful career, if he had not chosen that pathway the fatty foods and the partying would taking over his life and he would have never had a successful career.

In my experience if you are an all rounder you don't really excel at one thing. You aren't really a 'stand-out' for any particular thing that you do. So you think that you should live life by taking whatever comes at you and doing whatever you please and leave all your options open without ever really pursuing any one of your options. You claim THAT IS THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO APPROACH LIFE!? You should know that there are an infinite number of ways to approach life. You have chosen your way which is leave all of your options open but never pursue any of them while we have ours which is once we find an option we desire we go for it. Even so, tell me how your way is the one and only true way to approach life and every other way is wrong? In the end of all this what are you trying to achieve if you are not trying to achieve anything at all?

So the majority of goals are good-hearted okay. Tell me how their only way of expressing their feelings and care they have for people is a bad thing? Weren't you saying before that goals are for selfish gain in a nutshell? So you do agree that there is a void and there is nothing in this world that never truly satisfies. At Church we call it a God shaped hole. You can try and fill this hole with money, life, career, success, popularity etc. You will never truly feel satisfied. The only way to fill that void and satisfy it completely is to fill that God shaped hole with...God!


Ahh, but if you look at the world as a whole. Look at what has been done. Look at the general ideas followed by mankind. The general complications of reality. The general solutions, or what has potential of being a solution. I see things, by not looking at everything physically or emperically. I am able to deduce my conclusions by looking at where today brought us. What is going on as a whole. What people sought for as a whole. How mankind continues to cower in fear and feed the news with their irresponsibilities and poor decisions. Of course I am not exactly speaking for every single damn cognitive life form on this planet. I'm simply stating in the same way TV studios are able to see how many viewers there are between each individual show. They don't know exactly if the person is watching the show, is switching between channels, left the TV on and went to work, etc. They just have a ROUGH idea, and every rough idea can be cut into a diamond-esque idea if carefully designed and cared for.

I speak in general. I am am in no way implying that I have the knowledge and wisdom to speak on the behalf of every individual of this planet. I am stating my conclusions off of heated debates, off of my intricate abstract ideas formed by my mind that acts as a giant, faceless puzzle in itself, as well as scrutinising as many details and overall situations that take place to this day now. I use intuition more than I use ''evidence'', because there are some things that are simply not tangible enough to be turned into a physical thesis. There are alot of things in our world that requires rough understanding, but if you travel on the bump thought process, if you piece together, it does form a conclusive concept.

That is my point. It is all an illusion of self-gratification. A wise person would never have to prove themselves. These ''goals'' are basically saying ''I have limits''. While a man who has no chain attached to their agendas is free to roam and experience the vastness of this world without any obstructions, conflictions or restrictions. You have to ask yourself. What really is a goal? If a goal is to prove you can do something, to reach a milestone. Why not simply let life unravel itself and work accordingly to a given situation without any boundaries that pushes you on one narrow objective?

Setting a goal is the same illusion of resolution as those who follow God. People think that their God or their goal is what shaped them into a better person. When that is absolutely not true. As my father always said. ''It never was ''this'' or ''that''. It was always in the person.'' There are people who have no goals and can discipline themselves just by adjusting themselves accordingly. They know that being lazy and being fat is a terrible representation of all of the potential they possess.

Life isn't about pursuit. Life is subtle and always is what you make of it. It is because I am well-rounded, that I am able to appreciate the greatest and smallest of things while at the same time not fighting for a single side. I do not see any ''side'' to anything. I see cause and effect. And in regard to this concept, I see how goals are false expectations, that are a 0.5 version of those who follow God. It isn't a faith in one's self. It is a gamble of an arbitrary project.

Their intentions are short-fired by their ambition and inability to repress their excessive build up of emotion and feeling. Remember, everything you see, hear, do, etc. is all built on a vague system that is socially accepted. These ''emotions'' and ''feelings'' are still faceless, unfathomable, and the body provides you alternate ways in relieving yourself of this excessive ''energy''. Why do you think so many teenagers are always blowing up on their teenage-angst? Their minds want to express itself in a dully-noted world filled with insipid motives. The mind is barricated by nullity, when the energy within us all is teeming with an explosive language that we will truly never fully express with our artificial system of communication.

Why can't mankind accept the inevitability of unwholeness? Why did it every matter to have a purpose or to reside in a world voided of true answers? Is it fear? Is it weakness? Is it denial? Why distort the simplicity of our world for an illusion that was created for the purpose of filling what doesn't need to be filled?
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Apr 23 2012 10:48pm
Quote (jerds24 @ Apr 23 2012 11:33pm)
We are humans and our brains is mechanistic. You cannot escape the brain and his funtion have imagine goals and choose to pursue or let go. His focus can only be based on one thing at a time but the brain is continually actualizing the goals of this human life.

Even if you choose to keep the goals opens, don't forget that you're precisely planning the goal of trying to avoid of having goals. It's like a dog running after his tail.


There is no goal to be had. I'm simply in understanding of a plethora of possibilities. My intuition is simply what gratifies my exploration. Exploring is not a goal, if you have no limit or point set. Life is forever revolving around a never-ending stream of information and awareness. There is no end to what you call an ''enlightenment'' or ''advancement''. We still stand in the exact same world every day.
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Apr 23 2012 10:54pm
Quote (GodlessDeity @ Apr 23 2012 11:48pm)
There is no goal to be had. I'm simply in understanding of a plethora of possibilities. My intuition is simply what gratifies my exploration. Exploring is not a goal, if you have no limit or point set. Life is forever revolving around a never-ending stream of information and awareness. There is no end to what you call an ''enlightenment'' or ''advancement''. We still stand in the exact same world every day.


You're having the goal of not having limited goals which is also a determined goal on how to live your life. Also, a goal don't have to be precise to be a goal still, there exist general goal.

If you need to eat, you set the goal to go to the store and buy stuff to eat. If you don't have money, you need to set a goal or goals to achieve the end to gain food and satisfy your needs. A person is having needs and cannot escape the realm of having goals.

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Apr 23 2012 10:55pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Apr 23 2012 11:25pm)
But that focus is just one of our many aspects that can help us to create something beautiful.  Without that focus on a single goal, there would be much less art, for instance.  And I think we can agree that art is awesome.



There is, but it's always a moment.  That's the point.  There have to be other things to do.  If one decides to focus on one of those other things for a while, it's fine.  The real danger is in taking it too seriously.


Of course. The mediums we are able to use are simply fascinating. Would you agree though, that having a passion is nothing like having a goal? Someone who has a drive to simply do something without having a purpose or reason is far more greater than those who set goals and expectations in an arbitrary, second-guessing sense. I mean, think about it. Those who had a passion never had a goal. They just expressed themselves and let their feelings, emotions, and captivating grace move them. They were their own river of influence. They inspired many without needing a goal. They just did what they did. There is no need for a goal or purpose. When those who were able to fly across the barren lands with the wings of a phoenix had not a single goal. They acted. They put their mind casually into something that correlate with their mind and body's senses. Setting a goal is only setting a false priority.

But, there is no true ''end'' to enlightenment. There is no maximum level. There is no MAX. No one has ever reached the status of the concept of a ''God''. That is why God was created, specifically. To explain what mankind could not explain with a practice that couldn't be explained by the very practicers.
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Apr 23 2012 10:58pm
Quote (jerds24 @ Apr 23 2012 11:54pm)
You're having the goal of not having limited goals which is also a determined goal on how to live your life. Also, a goal don't have to be precise to be a goal still, there exist general goal.

If you need to eat, you set the goal to go to the store and buy stuff to eat. If you don't have money, you need to set a goal or goals to achieve the end to gain food and satisfy your needs. A person is having needs and cannot escape the realm of having goals.


Those are not setting goals. That is simply acting accordingly to a situation. A goal has to be set. It is a mark. A position. A point where you meet up with. A milestone. A wall that measures your ability. A goal is basically a purpose.

There is no need for a purpose. Especially when it is an illusion.
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Apr 23 2012 11:11pm
Quote (GodlessDeity @ Apr 23 2012 11:58pm)
Those are not setting goals. That is simply acting accordingly to a situation. A goal has to be set. It is a mark. A position. A point where you meet up with. A milestone. A wall that measures your ability. A goal is basically a purpose.

There is no need for a purpose. Especially when it is an illusion.


If you have a need, you have to set goals to satisfy that need. It's a functionnal and simple process than no human can escape.

You can repeat yourself that you don't have goals, it's just unavoidable.

I agree that goals can be based on a lot of speculations and imaginations and a obstacle to the human peace.

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Apr 23 2012 11:16pm
Quote (jerds24 @ Apr 24 2012 12:11am)
If you have a need, you have to set goals to satisfy that need. It's a functionnal and simple process than no human can escape.

You can repeat yourself that you don't have goals, it's just unavoidable.


Purpose -- 1 : an object or result aimed at : INTENTION 2 : RESOLUTION, DETERMINATION

Reason -- 1 : a statement offered in justification or explanation : GROUND, CAUSE : 3 the power to think : INTELLECT : a sane or sound mind

You see. I do not have a purpose. What I do have, is an ability to reason with the dissonance of the world I stand in, without needing a calling or a purpose. I am a simple man with simple ideas.

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