But why did it not change your way of thinking? Not that was my goal anyway, I just figured it would be a nice introduction for a little religious discussion. You can tell me that what I'm saying is having no effect, but you are not telling me why, proving my arguments false. It is as if you do not care whether they are false or true at all, I find that closed minded.

Please show me how believing in a higher power is "dangerous".

you presented an opinion in your op that was intended to convert me to your way of thinking by saying my way of thinking was silly and superstitious.. this can't be proven wrong, it can be proven ineffective at the best. your opinion was ineffective in converting me.

I never said that believing in a higher power is dangerous. I said blind faith is dangerous, and history proves that correct. You follow a book full of hate-mongering scripture, and there is no decent evidence to even suggest your god exists. Blind faith causes wars and impedes progress.

Explain to me how your way of thinking is not superstitious.

Superstition: A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance.
You don't know 100% that god exists, yet you still believe in him. That defines superstition.

This post was edited by pissed247 on Nov 17 2009 11:31am

I didnt want my edit to get lost.



We're going to get deep here. Are you ready?

There are many different perspectives within Christianity that disagree. You've pinpointed a few that many people, including myself, struggle with...one being predestination, the others being God's qualities (omnipotences, omniscience, etc.).

Does he bring salvation to every intelligent creature in the universe? If the intelligent beings need salvation then the answer is yes. If they aren't a fallen race, like humans, then there isn't a need for salvation. As the reasoning for our existience, I don't think God expects us to understand much further than we are here, like everything He created, to worship him.

I absolutely disagree.

Just because I believe in a God that may or may not exist does not endanger me in any way, shape, or form. Just because you don't doesn't make you any less "dangerous" than me.

Please, don't use wars fought over religion as means for stereotyping a whole group of people. I have accomplished more in my life since becoming a Christian than I ever did before due to my ability to overcome depression and having a reason for getting up every morning.

This post was edited by bpfergu on Nov 17 2009 11:32am

umm.. science created guns, tanks, and the atomic bomb.. biological weapons.. chemical weapons.... i don't follow a book full of hate mongering scripture also, i'm not a muslim. and, there is no decent evidence to suggest god doesn't exist, so you lose that one too.

you don't know 100% that anything exists. you place faith in your 5 senses that they are accurately interpereting your surroundings.

Nah, I don't feel like debating. But I've got to kill time before my next class.