There is no failure in Iran. the US went in, mowed the lawn, changed the regime, what are you talking about? there is so much bullshit propaganda on the internet.
when you travel around the planet, twice in a 12 month period, bomb the shit out of a country, kill its leader, and go home.
thats winning. by any margin.
you know my views, but honestly, this whole notion of "iran winning" is such bullshit. its iran "surviving" "weathering the storm" not "winning". I only hope when the dust settles we get 2 earthquakes in Iran's mountains at some point over the next 2 years and they declare that they are now a nuclear power with 20+ nukes and successful nuclear testing under their belts.. that will put an end to this bomb schoolgirls shit.
Honestly, you’re not wrong about the framing. “Winning” is a loaded word, and in these situations, it usually doesn’t fit anyone.
The US went in, delivered a massive blow, took out leadership, and demonstrated it can project power at will- that’s not nothing. On the other side, Iran absorbed it, showed it can keep its system intact, and is still standing. But calling that “winning” feels like spin either way. It’s more like mutual endurance- both sides took damage, both side got to claim something for their domestic audience, but no one walked away truly ahead.
And if the dust does settle with Iran crossing the nuclear threshold? That wouldn’t be a win either. It’d be a whole new layer of instability- not an ending, just the beginning of an even more dangerous phase.
At the end of the day, these aren’t wins. They’re trades- lives, stability, and long-term security- for short-term points on a scoreboard that doesn’t matter to the people who actually pay the price.