Then you'd like to go to the front in Ukraine for a direct confrontation I guess. That's what the direct war means.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 18 2024 08:07am

Only if you want to believe Russian propaganda, of course. Do you?

What is Russian propaganda? Let me know of it. With sources please

This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 18 2024 08:11am

So should we fixate ourselves on Western MSM propaganda all day long ?

If I m going to make a kid listen to LGBTQ plus propaganda, sooner or later my boys will want to be a girl and start taking transition pills.

By now you should realize most of us are not defending Russians or their incursion. We practically went through most details since the fall of the Warsaw pact and made our own comprehensive informed summary as to why it come to this.

I think you might be indoctrinated with propaganda all day since 2022 by watching your new 24/7.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 18 2024 08:20am

Hmm, interestingly, my non-EU country has also banned access to Russian news agencies, so their websites don't load for me anymore. But I do keep hearing some interesting stories from a good Russian friend who sometimes talks to his family in Russia. The West is being portrayed as bloodthirsty maniacs coming for Russia's traditional values. That's what you hear from the Russian news if you're a Russian in Russia, mind you.

There was a recent controversy about how the Russian media portrayed a Swiss politician, which you can read about here: https://www.srf.ch/news/international/kreml-angriff-auf-viola-amherd-im-staatsfernsehen-die-schweiz-im-visier-russischer-propaganda

If you count Swiss media as Western MSM, that's up to you.

The reality is that nobody in Western Europe wants to send their boys to die for Ukraine, hence this protracted proxy war. But, do I really need to tell you this?

That was my initial point. Why seek a direct confrontation with Russia then? Direct strikes into Russia are seeking a direct confrontation. Your answer to my post was that I am following Russian propaganda. What you designate as Russian propaganda is common sense for me.

If you guys actually understood that it was russia that started the war then I dont get why none of you think they should be taken down a peg or two. Oh no the big bad Russia is gonna get angy that they need to participate in a war they started.

If the world is as simplistic as you presume it to be, without understanding the entire facts between 1990 up till now. We would have world peace forever.

if everyone died in a nuclear war we would have world peace forever

Technically correct.