Quote (El1te @ Oct 29 2024 01:31pm)

The practice of human sacrifice was endemic to all pre-Christian pagan societies. Even the Romans, the most advanced pagan civilization, practiced human sacrifices - notably, multiple virgins were sacrificed to appeal to the gods after the disaster of Cannae during their war against Carthage.

Native Americans took it a step further with ritualistic torture - European settlers who were taken in the night would routinely be ritualistically tortured in order to appease the spirits of their ancestors. This is all well documented. The Aztecs were the worst with it, as they used these practices as a tool for subjugation & control, but everyone did it. It was the norm.

To add to all this, it was the Natives who violated the NAP, not settlers. European settlers who landed & built homes and farms were attacked by the Natives, not the other way around. Night raids were common. I've been on tours to Salem where the tour guide explained how the windows had strong shutters to help defend against Native raids.

As ^Goomshill stated, they also were savages vs. themselves. Slaughtering, in whole, the men women and children of a defeated tribe was the norm and this is all WELL documented. Not only the natives there, but the Zulus in Africa as well. The Zulus slaughtered their internal enemies in whole prior to the Anglo-Zulu wars, and it was all observed and meticulously documented. The fact is that these people were savages before we conquered them.

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Oct 29 2024 01:35pm)

You don't think any native americans practiced human sacrifice?

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 29 2024 11:55am)

theres a lot of irony here. claiming the "sins of a father" argument applies to not appologizing, but then also saying that schools were necessary to destroy 1800s-1900s indian culture, because in the 1600s-1700s some indians tortured some settlers.

in the 1900s were those same indians kidnapping so many white people, for ritualistic cultural reasons, and sacrificing them? or was that their father's father's father's father. and they were just freezing on reservations on the worst land that could be found?

cultures clash, often violently, and atrocities are committed. none of that is pretense to destroy native artworks, ban the telling of oral traditions, punish people for doing ceremonial rituals that are non violent, etc. thats the part of the "not all good" that is bad. and so you apologize for the mistakes and move on. that's the key. moving on.

when two groups did each other wrong they cant both apologize first, one has power, the other illegally sells tobacco on res to get enough propane to not freeze.



no, that's not what i think. i stated in context that the only native group of north america who's ritualistic sacrifice was so endemic to their lifestyle that it would justify eliminating their culture was the Aztecs. many other groups did it, just none that it was so prevalent that their culture should be nuked.

Quote (El1te @ Oct 29 2024 02:05pm)

That's not what I'm saying. The war crimes were ongoing, not just in the 1600's.

@ bolded, yes it is a pretense for destroying their culture. We used this as as the same pretense for destroying the Nazi culture from 1945 to 1949. Was it wrong of us to eradicate Nazism - which included destroying all Nazi artwork, banning of all Nazi literature & gatherings, and non-violent rituals? If your answer to that question is no, your answer must also be no for the destruction of Native culture. And we didn't even destroy it, we just marginalized it.

We've already moved on, it is THEM who haven't. They still want special treatment (that they already get) for nothing.

It matters not who has power in this instance, I simply do not care for engaging with Marxist logic here. We have power because we are civilized & educated and they aren't. The natives are still living like degenerates because they refuse to take the education that we offer freely. Their problem.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 29 2024 12:16pm)

you just equated native american culture to Nazis. dude, wtf. Godwin's law in full effect.

the nazis rounded up and killed 6 million people or so in under a decade, indians probably ritualistically sacrificed a few thousand people over a few hundred years. meanwhile settlers also committed atrocities on indians, far more than the indians in fact they had the fire power.

but you're trying to frame this as if someone has to support ritualistic sacrifice in order to disagree with you, which is silly. you're basically saying "if u disagree with human sacrifice than we have to destroy artwork, language, and all practices of indians", which is absurd.

honestly with the absolutely silly nazi comparison and these few logical failures im a bit suprised, its out of character for you. im sensing you're personally very invested in this emotionally.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 29 2024 01:55pm)

This self flagellation is so pathetic lol. I benefit from being foreign born and coming to this country and it's hilarious what the western world is turning into. Actually scratch that, not hilarious, but genuinely sad. Stronger cultures dominate and absorb weaker cultures, this has been that way for millennia. I don't think there's any other single point in history when something like this was a thing. It's legit self-cannibalizing and promoting victimhood as something to aspire to.

Quote (El1te @ Oct 29 2024 02:21pm)

You still haven't answered the question of whether destroying the Nazi culture was wrong or not

The Natives killed far more than that over a longer period of time, Nazi crimes are miniscule compared to the crimes of the Natives and their crimes make the Nazis look like care bears, seriously only a small portion of their crimes are documented and they'll make your skin crawl

I'm more invested in this topic because it directly affects me. and you're spreading insane revisionist history in contrast to what has been meticulously documented by our ancestors. The Natives have been running this grift on us in Canada for a long long time, this isn't my first rodeo.

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 29 2024 12:26pm)

godwin's law in full effect, now you're demanding i disavow literal nazis? not just skinheads in 2024 but 1930s-40s nazis?

yuck. you're too emotional tbh, pass. you sound like a california liberal right now.

Quote (El1te @ Oct 29 2024 02:27pm)

It's a very simple yes or no question.. that most people can confidently answer yes to.

the question is very simple with respect to our destruction of the Nazi culture from 1945 to 1949