Quote (El1te @ Oct 29 2024 01:31pm)
The practice of human sacrifice was endemic to all pre-Christian pagan societies. Even the Romans, the most advanced pagan civilization, practiced human sacrifices - notably, multiple virgins were sacrificed to appeal to the gods after the disaster of Cannae during their war against Carthage.
Native Americans took it a step further with ritualistic torture - European settlers who were taken in the night would routinely be ritualistically tortured in order to appease the spirits of their ancestors. This is all well documented. The Aztecs were the worst with it, as they used these practices as a tool for subjugation & control, but everyone did it. It was the norm.
To add to all this, it was the Natives who violated the NAP, not settlers. European settlers who landed & built homes and farms were attacked by the Natives, not the other way around. Night raids were common. I've been on tours to Salem where the tour guide explained how the windows had strong shutters to help defend against Native raids.
As ^Goomshill stated, they also were savages vs. themselves. Slaughtering, in whole, the men women and children of a defeated tribe was the norm and this is all WELL documented. Not only the natives there, but the Zulus in Africa as well. The Zulus slaughtered their internal enemies in whole prior to the Anglo-Zulu wars, and it was all observed and meticulously documented. The fact is that these people were savages before we conquered them.
theres a lot of irony here. claiming the "sins of a father" argument applies to not appologizing, but then also saying that schools were necessary to destroy 1800s-1900s indian culture, because in the 1600s-1700s some indians tortured some settlers.
in the 1900s were those same indians kidnapping so many white people, for ritualistic cultural reasons, and sacrificing them? or was that their father's father's father's father. and they were just freezing on reservations on the worst land that could be found?
cultures clash, often violently, and atrocities are committed. none of that is pretense to destroy native artworks, ban the telling of oral traditions, punish people for doing ceremonial rituals that are non violent, etc. thats the part of the "not all good" that is bad. and so you apologize for the mistakes and move on. that's the key. moving on.
when two groups did each other wrong they cant both apologize first, one has power, the other illegally sells tobacco on res to get enough propane to not freeze.
Quote (Shadowoffury @ Oct 29 2024 01:35pm)
You don't think any native americans practiced human sacrifice?
no, that's not what i think. i stated in context that the only native group of north america who's ritualistic sacrifice was so endemic to their lifestyle that it would justify eliminating their culture was the Aztecs. many other groups did it, just none that it was so prevalent that their culture should be nuked.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 29 2024 12:56pm