d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Trump Says Free Speech Should Not Exist.
Prev1234567Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 49,891
Joined: Jun 19 2006
Gold: 3.88
Oct 13 2024 12:29am
Quote (ScionCapital @ Oct 13 2024 04:44pm)
Moderation, means that some speech will be illegal. Therefore she is against free speech.


No.
Member
Posts: 2,096
Joined: May 19 2024
Gold: 173.00
Oct 13 2024 12:41am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 13 2024 01:29am)
No.


Yes.
Member
Posts: 49,891
Joined: Jun 19 2006
Gold: 3.88
Oct 13 2024 01:57am
Quote (ScionCapital @ Oct 13 2024 05:41pm)
Yes.


Moderation does not mean anything is illegal, i literally just got a 15 minute suspension for saying mean things in this topic, did i get arrested?

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Oct 13 2024 01:57am
Member
Posts: 2,096
Joined: May 19 2024
Gold: 173.00
Oct 13 2024 02:00am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 13 2024 02:57am)
Moderation does not mean anything is illegal, i literally just got a 10% for saying mean things in this topic, did i get arrested?


Listen to this scenario

Person is saying transpeople are not real ------> this is considered hate speech------> hate speech is considered harmful------> by causing harm you are guilty of verbal assault.

This is something left is quite open to making actual law.
Member
Posts: 14,348
Joined: Apr 12 2013
Gold: 51.00
Oct 13 2024 02:02am
Free speech is great. But people should understand that there are consequences.
Member
Posts: 3,046
Joined: Oct 1 2021
Gold: 1,979.01
Oct 13 2024 02:16am
Quote (Malignanttumor666 @ Oct 13 2024 01:02am)
Free speech is great. But people should understand that there are consequences.


Yeah sure but this is too often used by leftists to basically invalidate the concept of free speech altogether. If one is truly in support of free speech, they must recognize that it is controversial speech or challenging speech that needs the most protection, and in a highly censored society, won't get it. Free speech, if we allow it. This oft trotted out "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences" is just saying "Speech I like is what I will call free speech, speech I don't like won't be allowed". Often times people will say "free speech just means the government doesn't censor you" but this misses the spirit of the concept entirely

If you ask me I think truly free speech is a nice illusion. Like calling North Korea a peoples' Republic. It's just a label for within the current overton window, which is fine. People should just stop calling it free speech and/or stop claiming to support other peoples' right to speak and just be honest and admit it's about who's in charge and what they want said and not said. TLDR if you live by the pithy utterance of "freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences" then you don't get to say you're in support of free speech, because you're not. You're in support of your own authority, or the authority of society at large you can leverage

This post was edited by Thebarba on Oct 13 2024 02:22am
Member
Posts: 49,891
Joined: Jun 19 2006
Gold: 3.88
Oct 13 2024 02:40am
Quote (ScionCapital @ Oct 13 2024 07:00pm)
Listen to this scenario

Person is saying transpeople are not real ------> this is considered hate speech------> hate speech is considered harmful------> by causing harm you are guilty of verbal assault.

This is something left is quite open to making actual law.


I am on the left and i support free speech.
Member
Posts: 14,348
Joined: Apr 12 2013
Gold: 51.00
Oct 13 2024 02:41am
Quote (Thebarba @ Oct 13 2024 04:16am)
Yeah sure but this is too often used by leftists to basically invalidate the concept of free speech altogether. If one is truly in support of free speech, they must recognize that it is controversial speech or challenging speech that needs the most protection, and in a highly censored society, won't get it. Free speech, if we allow it. This oft trotted out "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences" is just saying "Speech I like is what I will call free speech, speech I don't like won't be allowed". Often times people will say "free speech just means the government doesn't censor you" but this misses the spirit of the concept entirely

If you ask me I think truly free speech is a nice illusion. Like calling North Korea a peoples' Republic. It's just a label for within the current overton window, which is fine. People should just stop calling it free speech and/or stop claiming to support other peoples' right to speak.


yeah free speech has limitations. But in America, it’s not as bad as other countries.

Member
Posts: 45,717
Joined: Aug 25 2008
Gold: 40,130.00
Oct 13 2024 02:51am
Quote (Malignanttumor666 @ 13 Oct 2024 16:41)
yeah free speech has limitations. But in America, it’s not as bad as other countries.


try saying something about the Js in USA. :lol: or Basketballers or Sweet Baby INC people. :lol:
Member
Posts: 14,348
Joined: Apr 12 2013
Gold: 51.00
Oct 13 2024 02:57am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Oct 13 2024 04:51am)
try saying something about the Js in USA. :lol: or Basketballers or Sweet Baby INC people. :lol:


lol, still better than North Korea, China, and Russia.

USA still got it real good for now.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1234567Next
Closed New Topic New Poll