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Sep 6 2024 09:21am
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 6 2024 01:36am)
A murder charge requires concurrence and purpose. At the moment the father gave his son access to the weapon, he had to foresee and intend that his son would commit murder with it. Essentially that is the charge of contact killing- you can be found guilty of murder even if you did not pull the trigger, if you purposefully set in motion the events and had the intent to have someone killed at the moment you set it in motion (not at separate times, not by unforeseeable consquences).

If parents don't intend for anyone to be murdered, and don't purposefully give their child access to a gun, and there's no foreseeable likelihood that he'll commit murder, and indeed the odds were probably 99% that he wouldn't- and the state itself already cleared him of any immediate suspicion and school returned him to class- how do you construct those elements of the crime? The answer, of course, is simple. That American law and civil liberties are a farce and nothing I said matters and they already decided to try this kid as an adult before even getting a basic psychological profile and decided to try the parents of the next school shooter months before it took place


Sir if you'll excuse me, Given the climate We live in. There was never a 1% chance., It is almost a Foregone Conclusion At this point. He is fourteen, he is completely cognizant of what a gun would do in his hands. I do not agree with the sentiment that a 14 year old is not cognizant enough, aware Enough too Understand that a gun in the hands of a bad person can lead to Catastrophic events.
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Sep 6 2024 09:38am
Quote (ScionCapital @ Sep 6 2024 03:16pm)
Perhaps i'm not being clear, If the kid was able to access it it was not secure. Just because i've tied A knot around something doesn't Make it secure.


It's never enough for folks with that stance.
You just want all firearms destroyed and melted down.
It will never be "secure enough".

That is total anti-firearm propaganda.
Education is more important than how many locks you put on the container.

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Sep 6 2024 09:52am
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It's never enough for folks with that stance.
You just want all firearms destroyed and melted down.
It will never be "secure enough".

That is total anti-firearm propaganda.
Education is more important than how many locks you put on the container.


You can educate a person until the cows come home, If they are off balanced, they will do what they want regardless of education. This feeds directly into, The call to abolish the second amendment. Simply because of this law-abiding gun owner had not had a gun. We can at least say he wouldn't have used this gun to kill those children
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You can educate a person until the cows come home, If they are off balanced, they will do what they want regardless of education. This feeds directly into, The call to abolish the second amendment. Simply because of this law-abiding gun owner had not had a gun. We can at least say he wouldn't have used this gun to kill those children


So you admit it's the fault of the person whom is off balanced.
Not the firearm nor the parents.

the second amendment will never be abolished.

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So you admit it's the fault of the person whom is off balanced.
Not the firearm nor the parents.

the second amendment will be abolished over my dead body.


You realize that it's not an all or nothing proposition., Blame can be shared. This specific situation does not cause blame to be mutually exclusive. They are all at fault perhaps not equally, But they certainly all share blame*

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You realize that it's not an all or nothing proposition., Blame can be shared. This specific situation does not cause blame to be mutually exclusive. They are all at fault perhaps not equally, But they certainly all share flame


Obey the Law, Understand the Law.

You don't get to have a tantrum and start abolishing amendments.

There is a legal process that must be respected.
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Obey the Law, Understand the Law.

You don't get to have a tantrum and start abolishing amendments.

There is a legal process that must be respected.


Give it about 10 to 20 years, maybe not even that long. And that process will be respected and will result in more than likely a savage curtailing of the second amendment
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Quote (ScionCapital @ Sep 6 2024 03:57pm)
Give it about 10 to 20 years, maybe not even that long. And that process will be respected and will result in more than likely a savage curtailing of the second amendment


Anti-Firearm people said the same thing in the 1960s.
You're out of your element and are blinded by emotion.

USA has trillions of rounds of ammunition in citizen's possession.
There are millions of firearms in USA, You can't make them disappear.

Even if you made them illegal, they will always be here.
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Sep 6 2024 10:02am
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Anti-Firearm people said the same thing in the 1960s.
You're out of your element and are blinded by emotion.

USA has trillions of rounds of ammunition in citizen's possession.
There are millions of firearms in USA, You can't make them disappear.

Even if you made them illegal, they will always be here.


No one said we were going to make them disappear, What will happen is when you're? A firearm is used in such a manner. As this you will be disciplined To the fullest extent of the law. That's the only thing we need to do.
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Quote (ScionCapital @ Sep 6 2024 04:02pm)
As this you will be disciplined To the fullest extent of the law. That's the only thing we need to do.


Is that not what's happening, in the case for which this thread was made?

So if the system is working, you're blowing hot air.
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