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Jul 9 2024 11:53am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 9 2024 07:02pm)
who is responsible is far less important than what is happening and who is in office.

if the person in office is there when things are going generally ok, they're safe.

trump was inbetween terms and it was a shitty time, so he was out. biden is inbetween terms and its shitty, so he may be out.


Right, so I am the one who did the mistake to see it that way. Partisanship becoming contagious.

Like you said U.S democrats are not directly responsible of inflation, which was already in the mood few months before the covid pandemic.
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inflation isnt really a policy implication of either democrats or republicans specifically. both overspend, both have bad tax policy, both oversee bad fed policy, neither wants a gold standard. just money printer go brrrr for both sides of the aisle.


In the long term for sure
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Jul 9 2024 11:55am
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Right, so I am the one who did the mistake to see it that way. Partisanship becoming contagious.

Like you said U.S democrats are not directly responsible of inflation, which was already in the mood few months before the covid pandemic.


sadly most people look around them, find anything bad, and say "the president is at fault for all of this". and they'll vote that way.
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Jul 9 2024 12:05pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 9 2024 07:55pm)
sadly most people look around them, find anything bad, and say "the president is at fault for all of this". and they'll vote that way.


Yep, it's hopeless.
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Jul 9 2024 12:25pm
Quote (Djunior @ 9 Jul 2024 06:54)
No

The Dems + MSM combined dogpiled on him exploiting Floyd unrest and covid as much as they could.

Just be honest about it we've all seen it happen.

- Trump was dealt a shitty hand because covid wrecked his great economy and forced difficult decisions.
- Race riots are never great for a Republican incumbent.
- Democrats ruthlessly exaggerated and exploited covid and Floyd for political gain.
- Trump made genuine policy mistakes on these fronts.

All four of these things are true at the same time if you ask me. It was the compounded effect of all four factors which did him in. And Biden still barely limped across the finish line.

In any case, 2020 was a horrible year for him, it was textbook Murphy's Law. Couple this with a broadly acceptable, inoffensive challenger and being down far deeper in the polls than he ever was in the 2016 cycle, and it simply wasn't rational to assume that Trump had a 50:50 chance going into election day 2020, let alone that he was the favorite.



Quote (Goomshill @ 9 Jul 2024 09:30)
Trump was winning with a gigantic advantage going into the election. It was the same basic calculus as ever, an incumbent with a roaring economy. The voters looked on his economics with something like a 30 point advantage in polling. Everything else was irrelevant, he was cruising to an easy victory until his ass got blind tackled by covid.

People vote on their satisfaction with the direction the country is going on a superficial, immediate level. The day of the election and at most a few weeks prior. Whether its raining on polling day has more consequence than political slapfights like Eldergate taking place a season prior. Peope don't even vote on who they think is handling a crisis well, they vote on if its been handled. Trump could have done everything right with Covid and it wouldn't matter. If covid had struck in 2021 he'd be president right now.

I gotta disagree. As an example, look at the way Obama successfully defined Romney in a negative way in 2012. Romney was never able to recover from this character assassination which took place months before the election.
Imho, Biden's glaring cognitive decline is a similar event which will have a lasting impact on this race. It casts doubt on his fundamental ability to fulfill the duties of his office. If there's one constant in US presidential politics, it's that US voters don't accept weakness in their leader.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 9 2024 12:26pm
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will the left recover?
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Quote (MaysLanding @ 9 Jul 2024 13:39)
will the left recover?


No.

They literally have NO ONE up and coming that could even potentially demonstrate leadership qualities.

They statistically had better odds getting behind RFK even though the odds were still shit.

I'm from Illinois right outside of Chicago and every democrat I know hasn't said a WORD about Biden because they know he's a lame duck president.

I hear more and more people who would've NEVER considered voting for Trump start to sway that way.

Mind you Illinois has been a blue state guarantee for as long as the Republic has stood.

It won't be this election that Illinois goes RED but next election I could see it.

The entire state is RED outside of Chicago and it's a common joke in Illinois that everyone in "Chicago" is a democrat and everyone in the entirety of the rest of the state is a "republican".

Still have yet to have a friend or family member tell me what Joe Biden has done the last four years and what'd he'd do if he got another four.

It's sad and pathetic how cucked people are in my state.
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Jul 9 2024 01:26pm
Liisten to this sad leftist



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Jul 9 2024 01:27pm
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Jul 9 2024 06:03pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Jul 2024 19:37)
inflation isnt really a policy implication of either democrats or republicans specifically. both overspend, both have bad tax policy, both oversee bad fed policy, neither wants a gold standard. just money printer go brrrr for both sides of the aisle.


Biden and the Democrats did push for, and ultimately got, yet another round of covid stimulus in the spring of 2021 - at a time when vaccines were already rolling out at a good pace, summer was around the corner and it was clear that we were increasingly leaving covid behind. And his treasury secretary as well as the FED very publicly declared that the early inflation was just "transitory" and wouldn't be cause for concern. Lo and behold, inflation was there to stay, surged even higher and ultimately had to be reined in with painfully drastic interest rate hikes.

So there is a pretty good argument to make that Biden and his administration are responsible for having exacerbated the post-covid inflation. Yes, some degree of inflation was always gonna be inevitable, but Biden clearly made it worse. To quantify this: inflation in the US stood at 7.5% in January 2022 while it stood at 5.1% in the eurozone. I picked Jan 22 as the reference point since it's the last month before the war in Ukraine, which had a bigger economic impact on Europe (and many developing countries) than the US.

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Jul 9 2024 07:37pm
biden dumps harris the old comments go away
root problem as why they care
a woman taking over in a patriarchal country is apparently a no no if he dies in office
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