I strongly urge you both to pick up a history book and read about the region.
posting in a thread sharing your opinions but have no context for the history of the region.


There is some starting material to look into.

This post was edited by Mondain on Jul 3 2024 04:29pm

Yeah, people who question you are all stupid and unread and need to pick up a history book.

Anyway, let me put my question to you this way: how do you justify sending billions to Israel when there are Americans who are starving and others who can't afford healthcare.

Without looking it up.

What year was the state of israel established....

You can't even answer that.

It doesn't matter because it's not relevant. I don't need to know the date of Israel's establishment to know that it's ass-backwards to send them billions when there are starving Americans at home.

This is perfectly reasonable if the ROI on these billions is ultimately higher. Just a hypothetical, albeit drastic scenario: there is a second Arab spring, but this time around, it spreads from Syria and Egypt to Jordan and then spills over into Iraq. By that point, the islamist revolt has so much momentum that even Saudi Arabia is overrun by it. Oil production in the Middle East completely collapses, and with it the global economy. You have rampant inflation and fuel shortages all across the world, which leads to far more Americans starving.

So yes, the US have a vital interest in keeping the ME stable, which implies that they have a vital interest in maintaining a potential base of operations in the region, particularly a base which is based in a non-Muslim-majority country. If shit truly hits the fan, you can't rely on military bases in SA, Qatar and the like.

It is of course difficult to put a price tag on such geostrategic considerations, but the idea that the US itself would be guaranteed to be better off without this investment in a crucial geostrategic ally doesn't hold up to scrutiny.





Could the same goals be achieved for less money? Probably, but by how much? Calculating the exact tipping point is imho impossible.

You're proving how ignorant you are on this topic.

Guess what year the USA started sending money to the state of israel.

What's the point of keeping the ME stable if you can't even feed your own starving people?

I am not saying it's bad to have a strategic presence in important areas of the globe. But I just think this should come after we have taken care of our people at home. Caring for our citizens should come ahead of maintaining global dominance.

Also, we need to scrutinize how Israel spends the aid money we give them. Is it used for the purposes that we want, or is she using it for her own benefit? Last I heard, Israel uses US aid money for healthcare for their citizens. Sounds like American taxpayers have been played.

Sounds like you know it's stupid to send billions to Israel when you have starving Americans at home.

Yeah because some goat farmers are going to hop into battle with us across the globe?

Hey you really think I forgot about Powell holding up a baggie during a congressional session talking about WMD's in Iraq?

Oh, what's that? There was none found.. Shame.. Only took a couple trillion & thousands of dead soldiers later, how did our "best" ally fair in this conflict, did they come out and support us with their weapons n troops?

Neoconservatives surrounding the Bush Administration pushed for conflict in the region at the behest of Israel, would you agree, yes or no?

There's also plenty of useless domestic spending, so your "but there are starving Americans"-talking point can be used against so many things the government is spending money on.