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May 22 2024 01:25pm
Quote (jordang @ May 22 2024 12:34am)
if you're trusting a source who spent however many years of their life quantifying the number of times trump has lied, you're missing the forest for the trees. firstly, think of the narcissistic lack of insight involved for the political establishment (biden, mainstream media, default liberals, institutions)--try to fathom the lack of self-awareness you'd need to have to think the establishment is acting in good faith or that they strive to be honest. dishonesty/deception has always been one of the core aspects of politics. you're trying to make trump out to be the bad guy and the best analogy i can think of is like this: you're mad at a professional boxer cuz he punches people and violence is bad.

the whole idea of having a "dishonesty metric" or some numbers you can point to to try to suggest that trump is egregiously dishonest compared to his adversaries--utterly absurd. i'm going to put you into the bucket of people who rely on google search results and the New York Times or the Atlantic--like you're taking all their propaganda at face value. biden is owned by lobbyists and the deep state. democrats have been dicking down the middle class for decades now. i would recommend some sources, but man, it'd be like telling my Southern grandfather to browse the dark net and tell everyone his personal info. he's been scammed before. you're like my grandfather--very vulnerable to scams, social engineering, propaganda. your best bet is to resign from political "research" or participation.


Why do I have a feeling, after claiming we're easily fooled by the deep state and propaganda, that you'd almost certainly post a link to actual propaganda? It's really not hard to look at his lies and confirm. As you mentioned in a latter post, he literally does a lot of his own media... from videos to tweets/truths(literally posted a video including Nazi references https://www.npr.org/2024/05/21/1252653231/trump-unified-reich-antisemitism-truth-social, but lemme guess, not Trump but an aid did it?). So, there is plenty of evidence there to confirm his lies, you just need to actually open your eyes.

Anyways, as mentioned previously, try to stay on topic and post only trial news, which I don't think much has dropped since my last post other than Trump's defense lawyer getting a talkin' to by the judge.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-hush-money-michael-cohen-363a86879b97d2367831b1392f42689d

I'm thinking Trump is definitely going to lose this case, but see no jail time. I would be happy to see some concesquences, but assume it will be a fine and maybe some probation that won't equal to much. A felony convict would be nice, which could allow Biden's campaign to show 1. He is a convicted felon (you would think being a rapist would hold water, but apparently the voters do not care https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/). 2. Cannot vote. 3. Maybe lose a vote or two (aside from his own ;) )

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May 22 2024 02:55pm
Quote (jordang @ May 22 2024 11:35am)
you tell me which of my points is wrong or doesn't make sense, and we can go from there. i'm not claiming to be 100% clear 100% of the time, like if there's a language barrier or something and you aren't able to see any cohesiveness in my argument, go aheand and point out the parts that don't make sense and we can go from there, cuz right now, i assume you're trying to maintain the position that biden *doesn't* have alzheimers or diminished neurological function, and there's already the whole "impossible to prove a negative" aspect of reality. you're trying to swim upstream right now.

don't be lazy. if you're slow at typing, use voice-to-text and run some duels instead of sitting on the sidelines.


I don't misunderstand anything you're saying, you started out with a bad faith argument despite saying the contrary and even have to resort to ad hominem with this post. You're just repeating baseless talking points Trump has repeated over the years.

I made no mention of Biden either having or not having Dementia. I merely said your deep state claims are nothing but a conspiracy theory as you have no substantial evidence. You also believe you've satisfied the burden of proof by making a claim, but you also have to substantiate it with evidence which you still have not done despite being asked multiple times.

Also kind of ironic you mention you cannot prove a negative, but yet again do not prove deep state nor Biden having dementia. Trump is 77 and Biden is 81, so both will obviously have mental decline. Trump seems to be on a faster decline into dementia recently though, with multiple psychiatrists agreeing. I'm sure the stress from multiple court cases isn't helping.

If you don't want to provide proof, that's fine. Just stay on topic of the thread or create your own thread about your theory.


To be on topic, here's an article speculating that Costello might catch a Bar complaint for his behavior yesterday: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hush-money-case-new-york-manhattan-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-1903605

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I don't misunderstand anything you're saying, you started out with a bad faith argument despite saying the contrary and even have to resort to ad hominem with this post. You're just repeating baseless talking points Trump has repeated over the years.

I made no mention of Biden either having or not having Dementia. I merely said your deep state claims are nothing but a conspiracy theory as you have no substantial evidence. You also believe you've satisfied the burden of proof by making a claim, but you also have to substantiate it with evidence which you still have not done despite being asked multiple times.

Also kind of ironic you mention you cannot prove a negative, but yet again do not prove deep state nor Biden having dementia. Trump is 77 and Biden is 81, so both will obviously have mental decline. Trump seems to be on a faster decline into dementia recently though, with multiple psychiatrists agreeing. I'm sure the stress from multiple court cases isn't helping.

If you don't want to provide proof, that's fine. Just stay on topic of the thread or create your own thread about your theory.


To be on topic, here's an article speculating that Costello might catch a Bar complaint for his behavior yesterday: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-hush-money-case-new-york-manhattan-michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-1903605


i would be deeply interested in knowing your source for this one cuz this has a propagandistic style to it. they love to accuse trump of what they're doing maliciously; they love tyo project hellla

yeah, in my perception, the fact that you'd try to leverage trump's legal situation as an argument for why trump is bad and biden is relatively good, like. you gotta connect the dots and see that these indictments were WEAPON|ZED, like trump was not pushing the envelope ni terms of the number of illegal things he did, but historically, you will never find a previous president who's been like... these people are on a witch hunt, man. you really think it's a coincidence that 90 or however many indictments spontaneously converged while trump is on the campaign trail? if you win the lottery three times in a row, each with a 10mm USD prize pool or whatever, like, do you start to think you might be dreaming, or what? how much evidence does it take for you to start to develop an iota of skepticism toward one of the largest, most powerful and corrupt hegemony on the planet with the largest federal debt of the known universe. our political establishment has been rotting, like it's gangrenous, and it's people exactly like joe biden who have been on this path for 5 decades.

i mean, as far as the deep state thing goes, i'll spend hours talking to you about the hunter biden laptop, the data on the laptop, the photos and videos i've seen, i mean, i can tell you Hunter is hung like a horse. is that a red flag for any biden supporters, the fact that his son's dick is like making the rounds online like Mia Khalifa, and he's smoking hella crack on these vids, too, man, like the whole biden family is a dumpster fire. umm, remember when twitter and facebook and other big-tech companies all monolithically removed the New York Post's article breaking the laptop story and they lied and said the New YOrk post violated TOS by posting "hacked" info or something? it wasn't even hacked. hunter abandoned the laptop and the shop had a clause in the customer agreement stating that abandoned computers become property of the store after however many months of being abandoned. you realize all of this requires the fucking government to be in bed with these big-tech companies, and they're doing it in the shadows, and it's all very malicious, dishonest, misleading and led to hella big impact on the outcome of the election. this is all part of the deep state. it's government workers doing shady shit behind the scenes. that's the definition of the deep state. did you assume "deep state" requires some, like, crazy criteria in order to fit the definition, like did you assume they have to be aliens who came from the planet Naibiru *and* did all this corrupt shit arbitrarily manipulating which news stories are allowed to be distributed on social media? what is your definition of "deep state", cuz at this point i have to assume that you're locked into a semantics-based confusion that probably comes from a mainstream media talking point. your side of this whole thing--they are masters at changing thedefinitions of words, like when they said joe rogan was chuggin big tubes of horse paste... ivermectin has been administered billions of times and it's one of the safest drugs on the planet.

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biopower anyone? trust no1
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i absolutely bodied the kids on this one. they must have assumed i was checked out or something, but those fatty paragraphs hit em like a 50 cal
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i absolutely bodied the kids on this one. they must have assumed i was checked out or something, but those fatty paragraphs hit em like a 50 cal


You are definitely checked out, just not in the way you think
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May 22 2024 06:10pm
America is tired of this election interfering. Stop this pussy shit. Ffs why not try to beat someone fair and square by having better ideas and propositions for the American people instead of this underhand shiesty never ending lawfare ?
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America is tired of this election interfering. Stop this pussy shit. Ffs why not try to beat someone fair and square by having better ideas and propositions for the American people instead of this underhand shiesty never ending lawfare ?


Democracy is not a stable system of government and as a country grows larger and more unmanageable the more its own forces tear it apart. Dictatorships and monarchies persisted because they were self reinforcing loops, and even regime changes by coups and usurpers still left the power structure intact. Democracy gives a positive feedback loop to those who cheat, those who tear down democratic safeguards and act as tyrants. It won't stop Hitler from being elected and once he is he's free to forge his dictatorship.
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May 22 2024 07:43pm
Quote (blahaj @ May 22 2024 08:07pm)
You are definitely checked out, just not in the way you think


it's funny cuz i feel like you have yet to make any points. you've been idling at 200 rpm this whole time.
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May 22 2024 08:42pm
Quote (jordang @ May 22 2024 06:54pm)
i absolutely bodied the kids on this one. they must have assumed i was checked out or something, but those fatty paragraphs hit em like a 50 cal


Quote (jordang @ May 22 2024 08:43pm)
it's funny cuz i feel like you have yet to make any points. you've been idling at 200 rpm this whole time.


Again, stop spamming my topic unless you have news about this trial. No one is interested in your conspiracies. I have reported all of your comments.

Closing arguments will be on May 28th (Tuesday). After that, Jurors will start deliberating, but can be anywhere from one day to one month before coming to a decision.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/21/trump-trial-end-jury-deliberation-verdict/73784120007/
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