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May 2 2024 06:59pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 2 2024 09:49am)
I'd like to point out that all week, the front page of Fox News was something like

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It made up at least a third of all the stories on the site
Republicans clearly know this is a lose-lose scenario for Biden and want to press the issue. I say it shows how fickle and unanticipatable the election dynamics really are. A year ago Republicans were hammering Democrats on transgender ideology in schools and flipped the advantage the left once held on education issues and carved into that suburban soccer mom demographic. Now they're just twisting this knife on the Israel Palestinian conflict because no matter how it goes it goes bad for Biden


Top reddit post the other day was:

"How many votes are these protestors going to give to Trump"
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Top reddit post the other day was:

"How many votes are these protestors going to give to Trump"

It will obviously be easy to remind them that Trump has no love lost for Muslims and that he was the most pro-Israel president in living memory. But they don't need to vote for Trump, it's already a huge blow to Biden if they simply stay home or vote third party.
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I look at footage of how trashed some of the top universities are, UCLA, Columbia, etc and it makes me feel like leftism is almost like a poison pill. There won’t be a war between Us and China for hegemony, we’ll just slowly disintegrate and fade as internal social cohesion fades and we buckle under domestic issues.


The left that is often seen on university campuses is adept at identifying perceived deficiencies, which is a strength, but that strength, like everything else, has a shadow side. A propensity to un-collaboratively want to tear down without any presentation of non-philosophical solutions, including any perceived intragroup deficiencies, resulting in the American collegiate left constantly eating itself.

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The left that is often seen on university campuses is adept at identifying perceived deficiencies, which is a strength, but that strength, like everything else, has a shadow side. A propensity to un-collaboratively want to tear down without any presentation of non-philosophical solutions, including any perceived intragroup deficiencies, resulting in the American collegiate left constantly eating itself.


You think they're adept at identifying perceived deficiencies rather than just repeating ideology from postcolonial theory?
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You think they're adept at identifying perceived deficiencies rather than just repeating ideology from postcolonial theory?


I do. For instance, if one looks at posts that gain traction in leftist spaces, it is typically messages about being critical, identification of transgressions, efforts to boycott/cancel/protest, and naming intersectional/global injustices.

There's countless instances of the left coming together against something, but rare to find them building anything.
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The anti-Semitic, pro-Hamas campus protesters hate Joe Biden and the Jan 6th insurrectionists were carrying Trump flags.

Both sides are not equally bad.


Agreed. The latter group was a handful of hooligans and a few thousand confused protesters. The former is virulent and genocidal antisemitism representing the heart of the modern American left. One only has to look as far as Biden's "both sides" response to see how integral he sees the protesters to his reelection prospects.
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I do. For instance, if one looks at posts that gain traction in leftist spaces, it is typically messages about being critical, identification of transgressions, efforts to boycott/cancel/protest, and naming intersectional/global injustices.

There's countless instances of the left coming together against something, but rare to find them building anything.


Because building and actual viable solutions are hard. But to cry all the time about Z Y Z issues non-stop and to throw temper tantrums annoying everyone else around you gets old.

I do think a fair amount of these people's intentions are pure, I don't think they are being paid or dishonest, at least large swaths of them but frankly they're just petulant children. Like I get the anti-Isral/anti-war protests, I really do, but then when I see them ganging up on some Jew on campus or completely trashing universities it doesn't make me sympathetic to their cause. Same with blocking highways or destroying art or burning buildings and looting business and many other of these acts. It's shit like that that make me want to be diametrically opposed to their cause.
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Because building and actual viable solutions are hard. But to cry all the time about Z Y Z issues non-stop and to throw temper tantrums annoying everyone else around you gets old.

I do think a fair amount of these people's intentions are pure, I don't think they are being paid or dishonest, at least large swaths of them but frankly they're just petulant children. Like I get the anti-Isral/anti-war protests, I really do, but then when I see them ganging up on some Jew on campus or completely trashing universities it doesn't make me sympathetic to their cause. Same with blocking highways or destroying art or burning buildings and looting business and many other of these acts. It's shit like that that make me want to be diametrically opposed to their cause.


Yes, it is hard--exponentially so though when your movement has an evolved trait of a strong critical eye, which is as vigilant about external concerns as it is with internal dynamics. Unfortunately, this results in people in the left holding back their true thoughts because of the leftist version of the Panopticon. And, once a difference of opinion is expressed, the left is not well-versed in conflict navigation and resolution. So, these differences are often viewed as irreconcilable and the building part of the movement screeches to a halt.

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I do. For instance, if one looks at posts that gain traction in leftist spaces, it is typically messages about being critical, identification of transgressions, efforts to boycott/cancel/protest, and naming intersectional/global injustices.

There's countless instances of the left coming together against something, but rare to find them building anything.


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Agreed. The latter group was a handful of hooligans and a few thousand confused protesters. The former is virulent and genocidal antisemitism representing the heart of the modern American left. One only has to look as far as Biden's "both sides" response to see how integral he sees the protesters to his reelection prospects.


Calling the fringe of the left the heart of the left is laughably dishonest.

one could argue, and i do, that by allowing this fringe to be vocal in the way they are that the true heart of the left shares some but not all blame. but acting like mainstream leftists are genocidal antisemites is about as silly as suggesting the trump base is comprised of KKK members and proud boys to a large degree.
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