It is not my job to inform you as a citizen it is your own job to be an informed citizen. I dont need to tell you the facts, those are facts, they are known, you can look it up anytime.. I literally posted a link to an article two posts up if you take the time to read it you might learn something new

you dont debate what the facts are




https://www.murphy.senate.gov/newsroom/in-the-news/republicans-dont-want-to-lose-their-favorite-2024-talking-point

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lankford-cites-election-year-waning-gop-support-border-bill-not-about-letting-5000-people-a-day

This post was edited by Crunkt on Feb 15 2024 10:01am

FACT..............bidens a doofus

You think that I'm going to waste my time on an MSNBC article, or trust a single thing MSNBC says about... Republicans?

I don't go to hard left sources to find out what Republicans say. Just like I don't go to hard right sources to find out what Democrats say.

If you want to name the specific Republicans who are claiming only to be not supporting the bill because "can't help Biden" I'm happy to go to the source and verify.

Otherwise, you are correct. It's not MY job to inform YOU what's in the Bill and why NO American should even consider supporting it. I provided you the Bill. Read it, and decide for yourself.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lankford-cites-election-year-waning-gop-support-border-bill-not-about-letting-5000-people-a-day

I dont know what to tell you maybe read this fox news article

you can try to punt and deflect as much as you want but that doesnt change the fact that republicans are only using the border crisis as a talking point to mind control you hogs into thinking Biden is bad and double down on not letting any border bill pass because they think it will make biden look good as its an election year.



with a bow on it

Are you done? Or do you want to continue to argue the facts of the matter

This post was edited by Crunkt on Feb 15 2024 10:04am

I don't need to go to Fox News to know what's in the Bill. I've read the Bill. And what a single Republican who is "negotiating" this disaster of a Bill is claiming the motivations of other Republicans are is NOT a valid source.

The fact of the matter is that Ted Cruz is correct. The Bill gifts more American Tax Dollars to Ukraine and Israel than to anything to assist the citizens of the United States or insure the security of the United States, and it DOES open up the border to 5000 formerly illegal crossings a day. That works out to a bit over 1.8 Million formerly illegal crossings per year suddenly becoming legal. That doesn't resolve the border crisis. That effectively just removes any pretense that we have borders at all.

Claiming the solution to foreign invasion is to simply legalize it is so incredibly unbelievable that I HAD to read the bill for myself jut to verify something so incredibly stupid truly exists.

Well tell all that to the republican hogs that are saying that Ted Cruz is wrong and that they are only avoiding the bill becuase it is good for the people and would make Biden look good, you know, the actual argument at hand.

so again I provide evidence for you and you just kick the goal posts. This is why people dont take you hogs seriously because you can't take Ls

This post was edited by Crunkt on Feb 15 2024 10:47am

The bill is nominally bipartisan because a few RINOs and donor class pets in the Senate, like McConnell and Lankford, support it. But Republican support for it is very limited, both in the Senate and the House.

Senator Tom Cotton released a detailed, well thought-out statement explaining his disapproval:



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Furthermore, note that the Senate bill was rejected 49-50 by a bipartisan majority. Democrats have a majority of 51 votes in the chamber, four Republicans voted in favor, but there were 6 Democrats voting against the bill, including majority leader Chuck Schumer, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren:
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1182/vote_118_2_00039.htm

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 15 2024 11:03am

You have failed to show any evidence of specific Republicans claiming the reason they themselves refused to support the Bill is to "not help biden".

You are perfectly fine claiming that's why YOU believe they refused to support it. But you've not only been told why it's a bad Bill, you've been provided the Bill itself to read for yourself, to make up your own mind.

Your recent habit of claiming it's a citizen's responsibility to inform themselves is some advice you should probably take. Read the Bill. Get back to us. Once you've gone through it, you'll understand why even non-partisans such as myself are horrified by it.

The mind control has you thinking that these long time repbublicans like Lankford are all of a sudden fakes and dem plants. Do you not notice the irony?

Youa re just proving my point that you have fallen victim to the propaganda

btw the vote you posted isnt for the border bill its a random veteran bill not the border security bill... hello?

do you not know how to read? man Lankford literally says that

come on bro do better man