Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 01:53pm)

hierarchies naturally exist, people are different than others outside of 'socioeconomic factors', genetics exist

not interested in this debate, if you can't accept people are different and it's very significant then we cannot even begin. i think you're a communist or at least lean that way ideologically and i'm not going to make progress with that

Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 01:38pm)

which countries and statistics are you referring to here? is it something like UAE compared to other muslim countries?

Quote (zorzin @ Jan 5 2024 12:01pm)

Have you seen us crime statistics?

Stone n glass house and all that

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 5 2024 01:17pm)

honestly almost every non-destabilized islamic nation. saudi arabia, egypt, iran, uae, etc. Normal people live and die and have fairly non-violent lives. they are at the same time subject to cultural practices we may find terrible or violent, and of course the lives of someone like an LGBTQA person are in danger, but for most people its just life like we live here.

the problem we face currently is there isnt much of the middle east that is stable. lebanon, yemen, gaza, west bank, iraq, afghanistan, etc. all deeply destabilized.

the main outlier in the region is likely pakistan, where all kinds of fucked up stuff seems to happen devoid of US intervention anywhere in recent memory. maybe due to tensions with India and massive population density. honestly i dont know enough to say.

Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 5 2024 02:49pm)

the problem with it is really simple. the perception that America is somehow superior to other nations is flawed because all human life contains equal potency

the only real difference is the availability and distribution of resources. if its about power and control for sure its corrupted from the get-go

Quote (majorblood @ Jan 5 2024 03:01pm)

what's the argument here?

Quote (zorzin @ Jan 5 2024 12:33pm)

That Muslim countries (and honestly any country at this point) are a safer place to live than the US of A.

Immigration doesn't inherently produce crime, it's the system in place that allows "it" to. Europe deserves its cultural enrichment due to its lack of religious beliefs, the dominant religion will prevail

Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 5 2024 11:58am)

if the idea that all people should have access to quality education and basic healthcare, then yes I'm a communist

people are different but the circumstances that they are born into are completely involuntary, yes? out of control

genetics are just another form of lottery, some people are born very strong and others are born weak. this is not being disputed

rather I'm suggesting that people born strong should use their talents to raise people who are weaker than them

instead you seem to be advocating for those born strong trampling on those who are weak because they can, because "hierarchies naturally exist"

Quote (Bazi @ Jan 5 2024 12:01pm)

Not completely devoid

Election interference every 4-8 years for 4-5 decades isn’t benign

Most recently imran khan ousting because he continued to trade with Russia after their aggressions. America owns the pak military

But a lot of shooting themselves in the feet and anyone with a brain has left this country over the last 60 years

Quote (Bazi @ Jan 5 2024 02:01pm)

Not completely devoid

Election interference every 4-8 years for 4-5 decades isn’t benign

Most recently imran khan ousting because he continued to trade with Russia after their aggressions. America owns the pak military

But a lot of shooting themselves in the feet and anyone with a brain has left this country over the last 60 years