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Quote (umeshieee @ Dec 17 2023 07:17pm)
The general suggestions Trump provides have very little thought behind them.


You jumped all over the three examples I provided.
Is it fair to say that although you jumped all over those 3 examples, those examples were not ones you would use for rebuttal?

I mean seeings how you felt the need to answer for someone else and all, do give some specifics at least.

Lest your rebuke sounds like the vague, nonsensical out of context talking points I originally stated.

ED: And wtf with people "jumping on your dick"? No one wants to do that and you know it. What the fuck is wrong with you people thinking everything is about your fucking unused dick anyways?
Does nobody talk like a sensible human anymore?
Like your dick has anything to do with anything here, you cock dreamer...
WTF?!

This post was edited by aj502 on Dec 18 2023 01:31am
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Quote (aj502 @ Dec 18 2023 02:24am)
You jumped all over the three examples I provided.
Is it fair to say that although you jumped all over those 3 examples, those examples were not ones you would use for rebuttal?

I mean seeings how you felt the need to answer for someone else and all, do give some specifics at least.

Lest your rebuke sounds like the vague, nonsensical out of context talking points I originally stated.

ED: And wtf with people "jumping on your dick"? No one wants to do that and you know it. What the fuck is wrong with you people thinking everything is about your fucking unused dick anyways?
Does nobody talk like a sensible human anymore?
Like your dick has anything to do with anything here, you cock dreamer...
WTF?!


What are you talking about?

You know that when I say:
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Also, before everyone jumps on my dick and says I’m a lefty - I would like to think that I am pragmatic and would consider myself more moderate.

I am just conveying this in a crude manner: "before people attack me and say I'm a lefty"

The fact that this needs to be spelled out is problematic. Also, the reason I said it in the first place was not a direct response to anything you said. When I explained why it wasn't straightforward to block traffic from specific regions of the world - the reaction I got from @Ghot was a meme about "Lefty Logic". That is why I added the additional commentary. Since this is a non-formal gaming forum.... I am assuming I have the luxury to be a bit more crude?

Also, the 3 examples you gave just make him out to be less qualified. Quote from when he talked about injecting bleach:

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I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning?


Okay, context is that he doesn't want to inject bleach, but can't correctly convey to everyone what is in his mind, which is that he is prefers to look for alternate ways of stopping the virus. You still can't see why he isn't qualified for the highest office in the land? There are people that dedicated 12 years of their life to study medicine and then the rest to research to provide their professional advice to the masses around this specific issue. Instead of trusting someone who spent so much time on that specific area of study, we have people that ignore them and decide a businessman is more qualified to provide advice on this.

When I said I am moderate, I don't have any issues with conservative or liberal values but I don't think Trump personifies the conservative values that everyone says he does.

Finally, when you said
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I mean seeings how you felt the need to answer for someone else and all, do give some specifics at least.
- I thought this was a discussion forum.... why would I not respond when it is an open discussion?


Edit: Also, not trying to pick a fight here - can't really depict tone properly with just text but I don't have any qualms with anyone's opinions.

This post was edited by umeshieee on Dec 18 2023 09:13am
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Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 16 2023 03:32pm)
only a boomer would think this is possible


I'm soooo a boomer. Inform me, please, what makes this impossible? I think I heard from the recent stuff in Ukraine that the Ukraine army and people were using Elon's internet as their sole source for internet service.

If something is being provided, does it mean that there has to be an absence of what is being provided, or else it would just be an addition?
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Quote (MaysLanding @ Dec 18 2023 12:56pm)
I'm soooo a boomer. Inform me, please, what makes this impossible? I think I heard from the recent stuff in Ukraine that the Ukraine army and people were using Elon's internet as their sole source for internet service.

If something is being provided, does it mean that there has to be an absence of what is being provided, or else it would just be an addition?


what level of understanding do you have of the internet and its infrastructure?
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Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 18 2023 04:03pm)
what level of understanding do you have of the internet and its infrastructure?


I'm not talking purely about the internet and how it functions. There are many spots in the USA that don't get service. My nice new Android device, 5g, yada yada, still won't get internet in those locations unless my PROVIDER provides a tower in that area. Again, back to the "does providing requires something to be in absence?" question.

But here we go...

I know that the only wireless piece of wireless is typically from the device to the tower.

At least 10 years ago, the USA DoD was deploying a mobile 4g network, using skunkworks to put up ptp links by Motorola in the Middle East. Without this network, many of the bases would have been internet blind. The radios were licensed broadband PtP radios with five 9's reliability and met all the FIPS and DoD requirements. Troops would not have had a network to use.

I have more experience in the wireless field as well, so if this doesn't pass the test, let me know.

But if we are talking about (1) ONE sat phone or something providing wifi to a bunch of devices in the middle of nowhere, I can't speak on that. But if that was a viable solution for unit movements, communications, etc, that becomes EXTREMELY expensive.

So, as advanced as the internet is, it still requires connection, restrict connection, no internet. And if the only real thing that is wireless is the device to the tower, that's possible to do.
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Quote (MaysLanding @ Dec 19 2023 04:16am)
I'm not talking purely about the internet and how it functions. There are many spots in the USA that don't get service. My nice new Android device, 5g, yada yada, still won't get internet in those locations unless my PROVIDER provides a tower in that area. Again, back to the "does providing requires something to be in absence?" question.

But here we go...

I know that the only wireless piece of wireless is typically from the device to the tower.

At least 10 years ago, the USA DoD was deploying a mobile 4g network, using skunkworks to put up ptp links by Motorola in the Middle East. Without this network, many of the bases would have been internet blind. The radios were licensed broadband PtP radios with five 9's reliability and met all the FIPS and DoD requirements. Troops would not have had a network to use.

I have more experience in the wireless field as well, so if this doesn't pass the test, let me know.

But if we are talking about (1) ONE sat phone or something providing wifi to a bunch of devices in the middle of nowhere, I can't speak on that. But if that was a viable solution for unit movements, communications, etc, that becomes EXTREMELY expensive.

So, as advanced as the internet is, it still requires connection, restrict connection, no internet. And if the only real thing that is wireless is the device to the tower, that's possible to do.


Im thinking about what he said on a large scale. yes the internet requires a connection but there are myriad ways to connect - wirelessly as you pointed out(LTE, 4/5g, etc), satellite, then there are connections that depend on a physical connection such as dsl/cable/broadband/fiber.

lets use your example first

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So, as advanced as the internet is, it still requires connection, restrict connection, no internet. And if the only real thing that is wireless is the device to the tower, that's possible to do.


how would Trump go about restricting a wireless connection where terrorists are? lets say in the USA. is he going to shut down ALL radio wave communication ? businesses rely on the internet, and so do air traffic controllers, nuclear power plants, our military and so on. or is he going to "restrict" the internet of bad guys only? how would he go about doing that? blocking Ip addresses? there are a million ways around a logical internet block

how would Trump go about restricting a wireless connection if the terrorists were located somewhere like Syria? he'd have to physically bomb their infrastructure and shoot down their VSAT satellites. do you think this is feasible?

logically blocking someone from using the internet is impossible, physically blocking someone from using the internet would involve a lot of military actions that would likely result in WW3. The internet is not something that can be "turned off"
look at this fiber cable mapping of the ME area. is Trump going to cut all of those cables sitting on the ocean floor?




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Quote (gnarjay @ Dec 19 2023 01:42pm)
Im thinking about what he said on a large scale. yes the internet requires a connection but there are myriad ways to connect - wirelessly as you pointed out(LTE, 4/5g, etc), satellite, then there are connections that depend on a physical connection such as dsl/cable/broadband/fiber.

lets use your example first



how would Trump go about restricting a wireless connection where terrorists are? lets say in the USA. is he going to shut down ALL radio wave communication ? businesses rely on the internet, and so do air traffic controllers, nuclear power plants, our military and so on. or is he going to "restrict" the internet of bad guys only? how would he go about doing that? blocking Ip addresses? there are a million ways around a logical internet block

how would Trump go about restricting a wireless connection if the terrorists were located somewhere like Syria? he'd have to do physically bomb their infrastructure and shooting down their VSAT satellites. do you think this is feasible?

logically blocking someone from using the internet is impossible, physically blocking someone from using the internet would involve a lot of military actions that would likely result in WW3. The internet is not something that can be "turned off"
look at this fiber cable mapping of the ME area. is Trump going to cut all of those cables sitting on the ocean floor?


https://i.imgur.com/Udcyv7m.jpg


If the world magically made internet, your statement would work. Access my friend, access can be turned off. You know what orange man meant, but by your argument, I can tell I need to not engage with your TDS.... My b yo...
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Could happen lol

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Quote (MaysLanding @ Dec 19 2023 10:49am)
If the world magically made internet, your statement would work. Access my friend, access can be turned off. You know what orange man meant, but by your argument, I can tell I need to not engage with your TDS.... My b yo...


access cannot be turned off magically lol
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