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Oct 6 2023 06:25am
easy way for the people making these decisions to make money from stock options in armaments companies they hand out no-bid contracts to
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Biden and US Congress have directed $75Billion to Ukraine a country with population 49million. That is about $1500/per person.

Meanwhile, in Maui residents reported only getting $700 after apocalyptic fire raves citizens community.

The sunk cost fallacy is riding itself out to exhaustion on this one. Surprised Democrats still supporting war, bloodshed, death, mass destruction of the country we humanitarian aiding.


You could argue that it is in the interest of the United States to continue current state of affairs whereby US has both economical and military hegemony. US has taken on task of protecting NATO allies and ensuring no credible threats can appear on the immediate or longer term horizons through open or covert actions around the world. This also includes private citizens efforts (e.g. the likes of Palantir and allegations against Soros funding Open Societies).

Only three countries realistically can pose a threat to the US - China, Russia and India if we consider EU an "ally-protectorate". So it is imperative for US foreign policy to ensure those threats are handicapped if not neutralized. If you put it this way, spending $75Bn or $1500 per person in loans to handicap a potential threat seems quite reasonable.

Don't forget that in order to function - US (and by extension Chinese, Russian and Indian) military-industrial complexes need a constant external threat so they could further justify outsized spending to perfect their weapons while generating a healthy profit for the management and the owners of those companies.

PS: You could argue that were US to succeed in completely dominating the world, uniting all countries and propelling us into the future (whatever that future might be), we will end up in a society akin to Elysium where owners of military-industrial complex will be so obscenely rich, they will be living in perpetuity off-planet while all of us will labour down on polluted and overpopulated Earth.
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Quote (Malopox @ Oct 6 2023 07:28am)
You could argue that it is in the interest of the United States to continue current state of affairs whereby US has both economical and military hegemony. US has taken on task of protecting NATO allies and ensuring no credible threats can appear on the immediate or longer term horizons through open or covert actions around the world. This also includes private citizens efforts (e.g. the likes of Palantir and allegations against Soros funding Open Societies).

Only three countries realistically can pose a threat to the US - China, Russia and India if we consider EU an "ally-protectorate". So it is imperative for US foreign policy to ensure those threats are handicapped if not neutralized. If you put it this way, spending $75Bn or $1500 per person in loans to handicap a potential threat seems quite reasonable.

Don't forget that in order to function - US (and by extension Chinese, Russian and Indian) military-industrial complexes need a constant external threat so they could further justify outsized spending to perfect their weapons while generating a healthy profit for the management and the owners of those companies.

PS: You could argue that were US to succeed in completely dominating the world, uniting all countries and propelling us into the future (whatever that future might be), we will end up in a society akin to Elysium where owners of military-industrial complex will be so obscenely rich, they will be living in perpetuity off-planet while all of us will labour down on polluted and overpopulated Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIBtePb-dGY


How does that argument reconcile with those nations rallying together and expanding their power and influence in REACTION to NATO/WEST? Those nations plus NK now have stronger military ties, and expanding trade relations. With current course, US/WEST side has a drain on military resource while also having unstable supply lines and recruits for their own respective militaries.

The proxy war support argument made sense on paper, but reality is it is worsening US position globally. We can keep calling it humanitarian aid while the body count rises though.
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Oct 6 2023 06:48am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ 6 Oct 2023 14:24)
Yes


I guess they will not wait for you
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Quote (RedFromWinter @ 6 Oct 2023 14:41)
How does that argument reconcile with those nations rallying together and expanding their power and influence in REACTION to NATO/WEST? Those nations plus NK now have stronger military ties, and expanding trade relations. With current course, US/WEST side has a drain on military resource while also having unstable supply lines and recruits for their own respective militaries.

The proxy war support argument made sense on paper, but reality is it is worsening US position globally. We can keep calling it humanitarian aid while the body count rises though.


I think it's a relativity game.

US is doing relatively well economically compared to e.g. EU where many countries are officially in recession (Netherlands, Germany, e.t.c.) and have uncertain economical outlook following a divorce from the cheapest source of commodities they could have acquired.

So now we have EU (especially Germany) and Russia down at the expense of a ravaged war-torn fuckaluckistan. Doesn't sound like a bad trade-off if your goal is world hegemony. US can easily print another USD 75Bn at the expense of minor inflation if fuckaluckistan defaults on their war loans.

The only two threats you have now is India and China. India seems to be contained for now as they are too busy consuming themselves and do not have a united expansionary identity to threaten their neighbours or US hegemony. If anything they are an ally more than a foe. China is another question as this is a formidable marathon runner that needs to be kept in check - hence Taiwan that acts as a source of sanctions as well as functions as an unsinkable and uninvadable air-carrier right in the middle of Chinese sphere of interest and right in the middle of the supply route of all commodities needed to supply the roaring economy. Hence the drumbeating in the media to prepare the general opinion for the follow-on conflict of the 21-22nd century should things continue as they are now.

The endgame is to unite the whole world and rule the planet and hopefully reach for the stars. I hope.

PS If you look into Warhammer lore - the Emperor only managed to unite Terra in 29th millenium - so we have some time ahead of us.

This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 6 2023 06:55am
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I guess they will not wait for you


You'll have to ad hom fap fest on someone else.
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Oct 6 2023 06:54am
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You'll have to ad hom fap fest on someone else.


??? Seek help.
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??? Seek help.



Says pard creep with 65k posts immediately trying to get personal. You probably mad about something I said weeks ago been waiting for your chance to throw rocks again..
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Says pard creep with 65k posts immediately trying to get personal. You probably mad about something I said weeks ago been waiting for your chance to throw rocks again..


Woaw that's some kind of personal attack. Your reaction is abormally high for someone supposed to post this "rarely"...
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Quote (Malopox @ Oct 6 2023 07:51am)
I think it's a relativity game.

US is doing relatively well economically compared to e.g. EU where many countries are officially in recession (Netherlands, Germany, e.t.c.) and have uncertain economical outlook following a divorce from the cheapest source of commodities they could have acquired.

So now we have EU (especially Germany) and Russia down at the expense of a ravaged war-torn fuckaluckistan. Doesn't sound like a bad trade-off if your goal is world hegemony. US can easily print another USD 75Bn at the expense of minor inflation if fuckaluckistan defaults on their war loans.

The only two threats you have now is India and China. India seems to be contained for now as they are too busy consuming themselves and do not have a united expansionary identity to threaten their neighbours or US hegemony. If anything they are an ally more than a foe. China is another question as this is a formidable marathon runner that needs to be kept in check - hence Taiwan that acts as a source of sanctions as well as functions as an unsinkable and uninvadable air-carrier right in the middle of Chinese sphere of interest and right in the middle of the supply route of all commodities needed to supply the roaring economy. Hence the drumbeating in the media to prepare the general opinion for the follow-on conflict of the 21-22nd century should things continue as they are now.

The endgame is to unite the whole world and rule the planet and hopefully reach for the stars. I hope.

PS If you look into Warhammer lore - the Emperor only managed to unite Terra in 29th millenium - so we have some time ahead of us.


I think you over estimate the US economy from viewpoint of an average American worker. Many people are calling the current situation a silent depression.

In 1930 average single worker income was about $4850. If you adjust that for inflation it's about $85,000 today. Today average work income is $56,000-$60,000k. 1930 was first full year of Great Depression. Keep in mind people of 1930s were not paying for the plethora of government services out there paycheck either.
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