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Sep 15 2023 08:55am
Quote (Malopox @ Sep 15 2023 02:25pm)
Good thing NATO defensively got rid of him so people of Lybia can now prosper.


You've seen the video of Libyans killing Gaddafi? Which one of them was in NATO?

I'll be waiting.

Quote (Djunior @ Sep 15 2023 03:37pm)
^Prox1m1ty completely destroyed once again, lol

Better stop shilling for "defensive" military powers that make a mess everywhere they show up


Irony is they haven't even showed up in Ukraine and their making a mess of Russia's military. Sore point?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 15 2023 08:55am
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Sep 15 2023 09:42am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 15 2023 10:55am)
You've seen the video of Libyans killing Gaddafi? Which one of them was in NATO?

I'll be waiting.


If a justice system unfairly convicts an innocent man, which then goes to prison and gets murdered, would we as a society say oh well if only that murderer didn't kill that man, his kids wouldn't be starving. No the outrage rightfully so would be directed at the system that placed the person in that predicament.

You're purposefully being obtuse. I like to think you're smarter than this but when you default to such idiotic takes that completely ignores why things are the way they are and how they got there, it's hard to tell if you're stupid or just dishonest.

We destroyed the power structure in Libya, causing Libyan opposition to lynch Qaddafi. Yes he was bad, yes Libyans ultimately killed him, no that doesn't change our culpability of the subsequent mess in that country with it being fractured, with no centralized power authority for over a decade. This dam not getting fixed, when it was scheduled to get fixed is just another string of various latent effects of that intervention. No government meteorological services or central authority accountability to make sound decisions in time of disasters, again latent effect of not having a power structure.

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Quote (Jupe @ Sep 15 2023 07:07am)
I haven't seen anyone send these people thoughts and prayers yet... sus


Christians don't pray for Muslims.

Hope this helps.
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Sep 15 2023 10:32am
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If a justice system unfairly convicts an innocent man, which then goes to prison and gets murdered, would we as a society say oh well if only that murderer didn't kill that man, his kids wouldn't be starving. No the outrage rightfully so would be directed at the system that placed the person in that predicament.

You're purposefully being obtuse. I like to think you're smarter than this but when you default to such idiotic takes that completely ignores why things are the way they are and how they got there, it's hard to tell if you're stupid or just dishonest.

We destroyed the power structure in Libya, causing Libyan opposition to lynch Qaddafi. Yes he was bad, yes Libyans ultimately killed him, no that doesn't change our culpability of the subsequent mess in that country with it being fractured, with no centralized power authority for over a decade. This dam not getting fixed, when it was scheduled to get fixed is just another string of various latent effects of that intervention. No government meteorological services or central authority accountability to make sound decisions in time of disasters, again latent effect of not having a power structure.


Beautifully said.
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Sep 15 2023 10:52am
Quote (Malopox @ Sep 15 2023 05:32pm)
Beautifully said.


Still waiting. Set the record straight or don't.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 15 Sep 2023 18:52)
Still waiting. Set the revird straight or don't.


replied to you already.
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Sep 15 2023 11:00am
Quote (Malopox @ Sep 15 2023 05:53pm)
^ofthevoid replied to you already.


Got it. The narrative more important than the truth.

How culturally appropriate of you.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 15 Sep 2023 19:00)
Got it. The narrative more important than the truth.

How culturally appropriate of you.


Why do you crave public humiliation so desperately? Are you a masochist?

The truth is and the facts are - there is no way a bunch of aboriginals would have been able siege a heavily armed city, then take on a military convoy of 75 armed vehicles if not for:

1) said convoy being bombed to shit by a NATO sortie

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The convoy was attacked at 08.30AM LT on Oct. 20, 2011, by a French Mirage 2000D that was called into action by an RAF E-3D AWACS. Gaddafi’s vehicle was intercepted by rebel fighters on the ground and he was killed (after being wounded) as he was being transferred.

A Predator (Note: according to other sources it was an RAF Tornado GR4 on a recce mission) monitoring Sirte movements spotted a convoy fleeing the city. The convoy, identified as being pro-Gaddafi, was attempting to force its way around the outskirts of the city. Since the vehicles had some mounted weapons and ammunitions, the US drone attacked it with Hellfire missiles.

As a result of the first attack, only one vehicle was destroyed but many others dispersed in different directions. Shortly after the disruption, about 20 vehicles regrouped and tried to proceed in a southerly direction. NATO again decided to engage these vehicles. Orbiting nearby there was a mixed flight of a Mirage F1CR and a Mirage 2000D that were immediately directed to strike the target. The Mirage 2000D dropped a GBU-12 on the convoy, destroying 11 vehicles.


2) certain NATO country breaching UN SC resolution and supplying aboriginals with weapons to fight Gadaffi with.

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Paris said on Wednesday it believed it had not violated the U.N. embargo because the weapons it gave the rebels were needed to protect civilians from an imminent attack, which it says is allowed under a later Security Council resolution.
France's weapons airlift, while possibly increasing the insurgent threat to Gaddafi, highlights a dilemma for NATO.

More than 90 days into its bombing campaign, Gaddafi is still in power and no breakthrough is in sight, making some NATO members feel they should help the rebels more pro-actively, something the poorly armed insurgents have encouraged.

But if they do that, they risk fracturing the cohesion of the international coalition because of differences over how far to go in trying to topple Gaddafi.


Now you can try to twist yourself out of this one my rattling friend.

This post was edited by Malopox on Sep 15 2023 11:08am
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Quote (Malopox @ Sep 15 2023 06:06pm)
Why do you crave public humiliation so desperately? Are you a masochist?

The truth is and the facts are - there is no way a bunch of aboriginals would have been able siege a heavily armed city, then take on a military convoy of 75 armed vehicles if not for:

1) said convoy being bombed to shit by a NATO sortie



2) certain NATO country breaching UN SC resolution and supplying aboriginals with weapons to fight Gadaffi with.



Now you can try to twist yourself out of this one my rattling friend.


"Gaddafi’s vehicle was intercepted by rebel fighters on the ground and he was killed"

That wasn't too difficult.

Quote (Malopox @ Sep 15 2023 02:25pm)
Good thing NATO defensively got rid of him so people of Lybia can now prosper.


So is that what you meant by "NATO defensively got rid of him"

Or it just sounded like a good narrative at the time?
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Sep 15 2023 11:17am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 15 Sep 2023 19:11)
"Gaddafi’s vehicle was intercepted by rebel fighters on the ground and he was killed"

That wasn't too difficult.



So is that what you meant by "NATO defensively got rid of him"

Or it just sounded like a good narrative at the time?


Are you seriously trying to invoke a technicality that his final blow was made by a rebel on the ground glossing over the facts of how he got into this predicament?

That’s not the way to twist out of this one, you might lose a few scales.
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