Health care is a privilege, good food is a privilege, high end/specialty drugs are a privilege, organ transplants are a privilege, list can go on. I'm frankly kind of shocked you lived in Indonesia and just assume you are entitled to many of these things. I lived outside the west for 10 years and frankly these things aren't 'rights' in the real harsh world. Most of the world operates under the 'if you don't work you don't eat principle' which is completely antithetical to labeling a wish list as human rights.

Why should we foster an environment of brutality? Why shouldn’t we build a society that lifts up all of its citizens? We are moving into an era where the vast majority of goods and services can be auto-renewable without anyone lifting a finger, with that in mind why shouldn’t all people have a right to those goods and services? There is only one reason not to: exclusion which is born out of greed and tribalism.

This post was edited by MildSambal on Jul 30 2023 03:49pm

Exclusion is born out of many things but one of the primary one is scarcity. This is why some people end up getting cancer treatments or organ transplants and others don't. This is why some countries can afford a crucial but limited availability drug line insulin and other don't. Greed to certain extent is a pretty strong force as well, so we agree on that, it really depends on a case by case basis.

When it comes food, we've made massive strides during the last 100 years. Don't take my word for it though.

https://ourworldindata.org/famines

...and this can be attributed largely to better farming techniques, GMOs, industrial farming, pesticides, crop-rotating, etc. I mean I get your sentiment but it's very western-centric and just feels a bit ignorant of how the real world works and how much better off we are on a historical basis. The poor of today (particularly in the west) have never been better off at any point in history.

What about clean water? It requires labor and resources to produce. But in my country everybody has the right to clean drinking water.

Nah, northern parts of Canada absolutely don't have access. Obviously a small population but highly underserved regardless. Nutritions North is a joke and the Canadian gov't rounded up everyone shoving them in towns, the gov't should probably bite the bullet on this one and actually post up some meaningful subsidies. No shipping means every single piece of fresh food is flown in and lots of places only get one or two flights a week and that's cargo plus passengers.

You best be making six figures if you think you're eating chicken and rice.

You can tell it's almost sealift time though and we get our one shipment of heavy dry goods per year. 12 packs of coke going for $240 bucks. People auctioning them off, starting bid is typically 60. The little stores that do exist in communities are out for the year.

This post was edited by SBD on Jul 30 2023 06:46pm

Those people chose to live in such an inaccessible place. Stop blaming the government for the lack of fresh chicken and rice.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Jul 30 2023 06:52pm

Choose? They were rounded up by the Canadian government and shoved into towns, some were wildly relocated from places like Northern Quebec all the way to Resolute and Grise Fiord to test of they could survive and to claim Canadas Arctic sovereignty.

Choose. Lol you're either trolling or horribly educated.

Nvm just saw who I was responding too. It's the larping idiot.

Carry on!

This post was edited by SBD on Jul 30 2023 07:10pm

If those things you said are true, then it's a very serious case of people's human rights violation. Also, why can't they just go back to wherever they were taken from? I doubt the government is holding them there at gun point.

Anyway, so what I am uneducated on this issue? Who gives a shit about the shitty little areas close to the North pole? You live there so you hear about stuff that goes on in that part of the country, don't think that this now means you are smart. It merely means you are informed about your little corner of seals, polar bears and people who supposedly got shipped there by the Canadian government.

Yes it was a massive human rights violation as was the church rounding up all the kids and taking them to residential schools in the south every year, assigning disc numbers and giving them names because they weren't allowed their names. Cut their hair off, everytime they tried to leave town the RCMP would run them down.

A complete cultural stripping of identity, outlawing use of traditional songs and languages

Not may fault you couldn't make it through grade 10 Canadian history bud.

The descendants of those abused native kids now have a choice to go to other parts of the country that are more accessible. Nobody is forcing them to stay there anymore. Maybe their ancestors were taken there by force, but the present-day people aren't. They can choose to leave but don't. I say they should stfu and stop blaming everything on the government. It gets old.

Also, I didn't take grade 10 Canadian history because I was in grade 11 when I first came to Canada. But don't worry, my ignorance of certain high school subjects still does not preclude me from kicking your ass in debates.