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I often find myself wondering.


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An interesting question towards Americans here, who pays for the abortion? Where does the money come from? Who pays for the abortion in Maine?

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An interesting question towards Americans here, who pays for the abortion? Where does the money come from? Who pays for the abortion in Maine?


https://www.pressherald.com/2019/05/07/maine-house-passes-bill-requiring-mainecare-to-pay-for-abortions/

Seems the state pays for them if private insurance isn’t involved. So the hundred or so people paying taxes in Maine pay for them.

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https://www.pressherald.com/2019/05/07/maine-house-passes-bill-requiring-mainecare-to-pay-for-abortions/

Seems the state pays for them if private insurance isn’t involved. So the hundred or so people paying taxes in Maine pay for them.


There you have it. They're demonstrating for the state to pay for their mistakes in a hook up culture as adults. I can think of at least 20 types of contraception. In those liberal cities, I am all for the women to decide "my body, my choice" however the state should only pay for an abortion if:
1. Rape victim
2. Too young, a minor (up to 16 I guess)
3. Real clinical danger for the mother of the child during birth

The problem is going to solve by itself. At some point, men and women have to be adults and to be responsible for their own actions. The state shouldn't babysit anybody past 18.

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I think it's more likely required for some medical cases: like some deseases or others problems detected later in fetus developpment, or accidents, and when it can evetually be a threat to the woman's life.
In order to allow these procedures, the law can be necessary.

I think it's right wing conservatives who are politicizing and trying to reduce healthcare access to the maximum possible of people in order to force religion & related fanatiscism. Honestly; how can you pretend to care about someone's life when you are deliberately exposing millions of people to death ?
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the idea that anyone can support a late 3rd term abortion for non-medical reasons always boggles my mind. you had 8 months to decide, surely a reasonable cutoff seems like a good idea. the "clump of cells" argument goes out the window when you're scooping pieces of a viable child out of someone. as does my support for the pro choice movement. luckily this type of thing is a fringe group that's only ended up here because of stupid philosophical arguments that forced them to say a child isn't a child until it's born. sometimes the unwillingness to draw and respect a line in the sand just makes you a shitty person.
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I think it's more likely required for some medical cases: like some deseases or others problems detected later in fetus developpment, or accidents, and when it can evetually be a threat to the woman's life.
In order to allow these procedures, the law can be necessary.

I think it's right wing conservatives who are politicizing and trying to reduce healthcare access to the maximum possible of people in order to force religion & related fanatiscism. Honestly; how can you pretend to care about someone's life when you are deliberately exposing millions of people to death ?



You believe conservatives oppose abortion to increase the amount of people on the planet to force religion on? Dude, who hurt you?
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You believe conservatives oppose abortion to increase the amount of people on the planet to force religion on? Dude, who hurt you?


It's a Maine topic; I'm talking about U.S Republicans. And please: I'm not only talking about this, you better consider the whole post.
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There you have it. They're demonstrating for the state to pay for their mistakes in a hook up culture as adults. I can think of at least 20 types of contraception. In those liberal cities, I am all for the women to decide "my body, my choice" however the state should only pay for an abortion if:
1. Rape victim
2. Too young, a minor (up to 16 I guess)
3. Real clinical danger for the mother of the child during birth

The problem is going to solve by itself. At some point, men and women have to be adults and to be responsible for their own actions. The state shouldn't babysit anybody past 18.


An insurance system that only covers things based off of subjective values of personal responsibility is unlikely to be able to function. We cover all kinds of medical care that people likely take umbrage with based on that argumentation, such as complications for smoking and other substance use, bodily injury from reckless behavior, and more.

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the idea that anyone can support a late 3rd term abortion for non-medical reasons always boggles my mind. you had 8 months to decide, surely a reasonable cutoff seems like a good idea. the "clump of cells" argument goes out the window when you're scooping pieces of a viable child out of someone. as does my support for the pro choice movement. luckily this type of thing is a fringe group that's only ended up here because of stupid philosophical arguments that forced them to say a child isn't a child until it's born. sometimes the unwillingness to draw and respect a line in the sand just makes you a shitty person.


Thankfully less than 2% of abortions happen after 21 weeks gestation, and are usually due to major complications. In an ideal world "abortion" simply means the termination of pregnancy, not necessarily the termination of fetal life.
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An insurance system that only covers things based off of subjective values of personal responsibility is unlikely to be able to function. We cover all kinds of medical care that people likely take umbrage with based on that argumentation, such as complications for smoking and other substance use, bodily injury from reckless behavior, and more.



Thankfully less than 2% of abortions happen after 21 weeks gestation, and are usually due to major complications. In an ideal world "abortion" simply means the termination of pregnancy, not necessarily the termination of fetal life.


thus is my confusion on the lack of line in the sand. if almost no one gets late term abortions, and almost all are for medical reasons, why is there any hesitancy to ban non-medical late term abortions?
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