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Apr 17 2023 09:34am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 17 2023 10:22am)
You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth here. You simultaneously don't care and don't know that much, but also think you have a good reason to think the field was moving too fast. You also want what's best for children, but go against the evidence and the practitioners who's job it is to improve outcomes based on evidence.

These are not checks on the system moving too fast. These are politically motivated attacks on a minority group at the expense of the evidence that JKR is actively helping with.

If you really value the lives of children you will leave it to the experts who's job it is to understand the material and apply it based on outcomes.


the same experts who's "evidence proven better methods" haven't had a statistically relevant effect on suicide rates, abuse rates, homelessness rates, depression rates, drug use rates, etc?

those people?

"its all society's fault, if everyone just agreed that they like female penises then we could finally see improvement". that's the common retort.

"best for children" is such a loaded phrase it's ridiculous. if i could change one aspect of the NHS guidelines it would be to expand puberty blocker access, if it's actually been restricted significantly. the rest of it is largely a non-issue, wrapping me around to my original position that JKR has not made much of an impact beyond emotions from people sad their literary hero feels different about .01% of the population than they say they do. no trans friends, wouldn't date one, can't control their icky reflect when they're around one, but they'll die before they say only women menstruate. thank goodness for that!
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Apr 17 2023 09:36am
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the same experts who's "evidence proven better methods" haven't had a statistically relevant effect on suicide rates, abuse rates, homelessness rates, depression rates, drug use rates, etc?

those people?

"its all society's fault, if everyone just agreed that they like female penises then we could finally see improvement". that's the common retort.

"best for children" is such a loaded phrase it's ridiculous. if i could change one aspect of the NHS guidelines it would be to expand puberty blocker access, if it's actually been restricted significantly. the rest of it is largely a non-issue, wrapping me around to my original position that JKR has not made much of an impact beyond emotions from people sad their literary hero feels different about .01% of the population than they say they do. no trans friends, wouldn't date one, can't control their icky reflect when they're around one, but they'll die before they say only women menstruate. thank goodness for that!


Citation needed. For somebody who didn't even know about the NHS updates I'm skeptical you havee a good source that modern medical interventions aren't better than the ones 30 years ago.

You're trying to pretend to be just a silly uninformed centrist who wants best for kids, and then arguing as though you're an expert and know for a fact which interventions are better.

and you're doing it in defense of JKR, who's "hanging with the wrong people" who just happen to frequently be people planning rallies with open fascists.

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Apr 17 2023 09:42am
The whole trans issue is really a non issue. There's like 10 of them in the world. If society just ignores them as we always have they will creep back to the closets they came from. non issue.

Just another case of media trying to make people believe it has more support than it really does. These people practically don't exist, just like Biden supporters.

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Apr 17 2023 09:46am
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The whole trans issue is really a non issue. There's like 10 of them in the world. If society just ignores them as we always have they will creep back to the closets they came from. non issue.

Just another case of media trying to make people believe it has more support than it really does. These people practically don't exist, just like Biden supporters.


Trans people are more than happy to be left alone. Conservative media made a huge stink about them using bathrooms they had always been using, and then about 2 people in the entire state playing on the "wrong" sports team.

I am wholly in agreement that the issue is pushed by the media, but it isn't liberal or leftist media that's keeping them in the spotlight.
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Apr 17 2023 09:53am
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Citation needed. For somebody who didn't even know about the NHS updates I'm skeptical you havee a good source that modern medical interventions aren't better than the ones 30 years ago.

You're trying to pretend to be just a silly uninformed centrist who wants best for kids, and then arguing as though you're an expert and know for a fact which interventions are better.

and you're doing it in defense of JKR, who's "hanging with the wrong people" who just happen to frequently be people planning rallies with open fascists.


30 years ago is a terrible statistical comparison, a kid 30 years ago wearing a dress to school was likely to end up dead in a ditch one the walk home from school. being openly gay was inviting an ass beating in the 90s, being trans wasn't even something most kids had a frame of reference for. that kids was a spider and they'd kill it with fire. the comparison of social differences completely invalidate the stats of care outcomes. you'd know that if you didn't pick a far back date specifically to prove that "point", of wait. KEK

i dont want "what's best for kids", as i said in the post above that's a loaded phrase, and i never pretended i want that because it doesnt mean anything. you might as well say "i just want everyone to be happy", divide by zero next. i want suicide rates and homelessness rates to decrease, i dont see data that is happening with the new care. we have scarred armed homeless trans kids that are told society is changing their view towards them, and it's fluff. that's why we've moved too fast, actual opinions are lagging WAY behind the virtues people pretend are out there. they're social outcasts all across the nation unless they're at Berkley.

"yOuRe dEfEnDiNg hEr". as post after post i talk about her wasting money, calling out her podcast for playing the victim/hero, and calling her a TERF.

any time i say "hey guys maybe you should attack someone else who is way worse" i get "you love her, she's your hero, you are mad we're criticizing her", usually in every single JKR thread in pard by specifically you. we do this dance every time where i tell you i dont like JKR but laugh at the disproportionate attention she gets and you end with "ok but you read harry potter and liked it so you're lying and she's your hero", then a month goes by and you do it again lol.
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Apr 17 2023 09:54am
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The whole trans issue is really a non issue. There's like 10 of them in the world. If society just ignores them as we always have they will creep back to the closets they came from. non issue.

Just another case of media trying to make people believe it has more support than it really does. These people practically don't exist, just like Biden supporters.


You can say all of those facts you listed but still show some respect to the people. Now youre belittling them for no reason, this is what fuels the media attention. Dont be a trouble-maker.
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Apr 17 2023 09:56am
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You can say all of those facts you listed but still show some respect to the people. Now youre belittling them for no reason, this is what fuels the media attention. Dont be a trouble-maker.


What is there to respect? lmfao shut up

That's exactly the problem, media trying to force people to respect this disgusting crap. Needs to go back in the closet for the betterment of society as a whole.

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Apr 17 2023 10:05am
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What is there to respect? lmfao shut up

That's exactly the problem, media trying to force people to respect this disgusting crap. Needs to go back in the closet for the betterment of society as a whole.


Bro, youre treating a trivial minority that didnt harm anyone (a non-issue as you adequately worded it) a little too badly. Im serious, it looks so bad that media is gonna make even more news on it... so you need to stop. Otherwise youre perpetuating the trans agenda by hating on them so vocally.
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30 years ago is a terrible statistical comparison, a kid 30 years ago wearing a dress to school was likely to end up dead in a ditch one the walk home from school. being openly gay was inviting an ass beating in the 90s, being trans wasn't even something most kids had a frame of reference for. that kids was a spider and they'd kill it with fire. the comparison of social differences completely invalidate the stats of care outcomes. you'd know that if you didn't pick a far back date specifically to prove that "point", of wait. KEK

i dont want "what's best for kids", as i said in the post above that's a loaded phrase, and i never pretended i want that because it doesnt mean anything. you might as well say "i just want everyone to be happy", divide by zero next. i want suicide rates and homelessness rates to decrease, i dont see data that is happening with the new care. we have scarred armed homeless trans kids that are told society is changing their view towards them, and it's fluff. that's why we've moved too fast, actual opinions are lagging WAY behind the virtues people pretend are out there. they're social outcasts all across the nation unless they're at Berkley.

"yOuRe dEfEnDiNg hEr". as post after post i talk about her wasting money, calling out her podcast for playing the victim/hero, and calling her a TERF.

any time i say "hey guys maybe you should attack someone else who is way worse" i get "you love her, she's your hero, you are mad we're criticizing her", usually in every single JKR thread in pard by specifically you. we do this dance every time where i tell you i dont like JKR but laugh at the disproportionate attention she gets and you end with "ok but you read harry potter and liked it so you're lying and she's your hero", then a month goes by and you do it again lol.


I don't think I've ever talked about JKR on PaRD, so I think your memory is failing you lol

I see you haven't substantiated your claim. Make whatever time point you think is appropriate and post it. You made a claim, now substantiate it.

and yes, you are literally defending JKR. You said "jk honestly didnt do much "wrong". i agree with some, i disagree with some. but overall her "crime" even to very rabid trans advocates is hanging around with the wrong people.". You're just being dishonest now if you don't characterize that as a defense.


The adult thing to do now would be to say "I didn't know these details, and I don't know much about the subject. I'll stop speaking with authority about something I didn't know the first thing about", instead of doubling down and trying to walk back your claims.

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Apr 17 2023 10:11am
Quote (Neptunus @ Apr 17 2023 09:05am)
Bro, youre treating a trivial minority that didnt harm anyone (a non-issue as you adequately worded it) a little too badly. Im serious, it looks so bad that media is gonna make even more news on it... so you need to stop. Otherwise youre perpetuating the trans agenda by hating on them so vocally.


Oh bull shit. Every time a small child sees one of those freaks it harms them. The second they think or ask "what is that thing" it's just another moment of innocence gone.

Like I said, just needs to be ignored and it will go away. The media isn't going to report on some JSP banter lmfao
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