Should George W Bush Be On Trial For War Crimes - Topic

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Mar 23 2023 02:30pm

Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 23 2023 09:27pm)

Bush is more likely indirect victimes, consequences that a country like US should have anticipated, they didnt, they leaders are guillty.

So you are so emo you aren't even realizing you are wrong and you are doing personal attacks.

- Putin or Xi-Shitping did direct orders and validated war crimes or genocides, this was under their control, in almost real time. For decade(s) now.

- Bush destroyed infrastructures and later only they realized the horrible consequences on iraqis.

Thus bush is should definitely be judged, you will excuse my correction and it was a pleasure to bring you back to reality.

Watch the vid, it's all lies and manipulation, Iraq was wrecked, a huge number of civilians died and so on.

How many Ukrainian civilians have died? I'm not saying that aint bad, but compare the numbers.

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Mar 23 2023 03:03pm

Quote (Djunior @ 23 Mar 2023 21:30)

Maybe Putin killed more than 500.000 people during his 22 years in charge. But numbers are not the main point and I think you should consider the international laws aspect:

Specific war crimes (like BUCHA) are not the same kind of "crimes" done during fights in a town against other forces (= civilian collateral).
Also; using very, very, destructive weapons (like the TOS) to destroy an entire town with civilians inside, is over the red line too imho. Then rape, torture, random executions etc

At this "blatantly criminal" score it's pretty clear that Putin is far beyond. And regarding Xi-Shitping: it's also horrible but different, it's domestic and much harder to characterize on the eyes of an international court.
I means... Even Putin did not push for mass sterilization or millions people working camps....

Finally Bush: war crime appears more specifically at the infrastructures destruction decision (along with the sanctions effect).
At this point; it wasn't necessary and the consequences were easily predictable (I guess so, this is the job of the experts and trial).
Still; It wasn't a direct hit, it wasn't rape, torture, not even ammunitions. So it's all at law playground, figure out.

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Mar 23 2023 03:11pm

Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 23 2023 10:03pm)

Maybe Putin killed more than 500.000 people during his 22 years in charge. But numbers are not the main point and I think you should consider the international laws aspect:

Specific war crimes (like BUCHA) are not the same kind of "crimes" done during fights in a town against other forces (= civilian collateral).
Also; using very, very, destructive weapons (like the TOS) to destroy an entire town with civilians inside, is over the red line too imho. Then rape, torture, random executions etc

At this "blatantly criminal" score it's pretty clear that Putin is far beyond. And regarding Xi-Shitping: it's also horrible but different, it's domestic and much harder to characterize on the eyes of an international court.
I means... Even Putin did not push for mass sterilization or millions people working camps....

Finally Bush: war crime appears more specifically at the infrastructures destruction decision (along with the sanctions effect).
At this point; it wasn't necessary and the consequences were easily predictable (I guess so, this is the job of the experts and trial).
Still; It wasn't a direct hit, it wasn't rape, torture, not even ammunitions. So it's all at law playground, figure out.

So first you come up with an arbitrary number, no sources no cigar.

And murdering civilians is not the same as murdering civilians, I love your logic, lol

FFS do yourself a favor, go watch TV or something you can follow the latest protests and riots in Paris and then post here that the protests have ended :lol:

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Mar 23 2023 03:29pm

Quote (Djunior @ 23 Mar 2023 22:11)

So first you come up with an arbitrary number, no sources no cigar.
And murdering civilians is not the same as murdering civilians, I love your logic, lol
FFS do yourself a favor, go watch TV or something you can follow the latest protests and riots in Paris and then post here that the protests have ended :lol:

Sure thing is that you never intended to be a jurist. If you aren't even able to define a war crime properly don't make a topic with certainties about it.

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Mar 23 2023 03:34pm

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 23 2023 01:04pm)

Quick summary of the illegal invasion of Iraq, the lies, the atrocities and the consequences for the population in a 28 minute vid

Voted yes for obvious reasons.

If Bush were to be arrested I would agree with the ICC's arrest warrant for Putin btw but since that aint gonna happen it's nothing more than a political clown show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B3UmwZKQ58

arrests trump for paying hookers.

idolizes bush for sacrificing American lives for blood money oil

moralbankruptcy/11.

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Mar 23 2023 03:58pm

“War crime” is an idiotic term.

We are going to kill each other, but we have rules on how we are allowed to kill each other. What a dumb thing.

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Mar 23 2023 04:41pm

Quote (YeeHaw @ Mar 23 2023 02:58pm)

“War crime” is an idiotic term.

We are going to kill each other, but we have rules on how we are allowed to kill each other. What a dumb thing.

But without it, a lot of civilians would be raped or tortured or killed.

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Mar 24 2023 05:48am

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Hey bros

I have to vote no for this .

Reason.

If I have to use a moral stance on this I would have voted yes.

But realistically speaking he wasn't the root of the problem for the war.
he was merely a " puppet " . The problem lies deeper within which cannot be solved unless we start having a multi polar world ( but there are pros and cons).

Furthermore , ICC is utter trash and a mere political tool, so it is kinda useless when it comes to " Superpowers " .

This is the root of the problem from my point of view.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 24 2023 06:11am

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Mar 24 2023 05:52am

he deserves it

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Mar 24 2023 06:38am

Quote (fender @ Mar 23 2023 07:17pm)

here's a question to ^Djunior though: should pootin be on trial for war crimes as well, or not?

Djunior will never honestly answer this question. He holds Russia and the West to different standards. Hypocrisy at its finest extent.

Quote (Santara @ Feb 11 2023 04:49pm)

That's because Russians are pieces of shit, as evidenced by their current behavior.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 05:50pm)

Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam and so on
So, all Americans pieces of shit?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 11 2023 06:17pm)

Sure, if it makes you feel better.

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 06:19pm)

British empire committed crimes against humanity everywhere, plus Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and so on
So, all Britons pieces of shit?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Feb 11 2023 06:24pm)

Sure, if it makes you feel better.
And you agree Russians fighting in Ukraine are pieces of shit, right?

Quote (Djunior @ Feb 11 2023 06:56pm)

The mercenaries, yes. Although a bunch of them were given a tough choice, stay in prison till you rot or die storming strongpoints.
The regulars (guys pulled from their village), no.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Mar 24 2023 06:38am

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