Are the responses going to prevent the virus from eventually getting everywhere? Social distancing slows the spread, but as long as we try to reopen as soon as it feels safe, we are going to be playing whackamole with different small waves of outbreaks over the next 6 months. There's currently no talk on the table of a plan to isolate and quarantine to stop the spread. We only plan to slow it. Flatten the curve (not cut it off).

This post was edited by Kayeto on Apr 1 2020 09:56am

this would be a better point if entire nations didn't do the whole herd immunity approach. it was a dire warning to try and stop them from doing that, and they marched right through it. if Italy had been scared by the 2.2m number instead of dismissing it they wouldnt be running crematoriums on over drive right now.

a general anti media stance is not a bad thing, but honestly it just comes off like you're hungry to dismiss the media at the cost of lives. 2.2m wont happen, but Italy is too close to providing their quota of what the 2.2m reality would have been.

My general criticism of the media is they have become too sensationalist in their quest for advertising dollars. 2.2 mil dead headlines leads to far more clicks if that number was 10x less, at least in my opinion. So what happens is there is a disconnect between people that read those headlines and policy makers making decisions, because the policy makers don't make their decisions on worst case .01% probability of happening scenarios.

The choice without the hindsight we have now was binary. mitigating actions, or herd immunity. it was the talk of worldwide policy for maybe a week.

you're just using hindsight to say "well of course it was only a .01% chance that it would happen because of course no large number of nations would have gone the herd immunity route". whereas at the time the media was presenting a "heres what happens if the world does that".

whether it was ever a chance that all nations would go the herd route or not shouldn't matter, it was partially due to those headlines and forecasts that so many nations started mitigating risks even before their governments made policy. less trips out, less gatherings, hand washings, sanitizing shared spaces, etc. none of these were govt mandated before they were implemented initially.

again, you're so hungry to demonize the media that you can only see the "here's what to expect" context, and not the "here's what could happen if we do nothing so start doing something now" context.

and maybe you're also forgetting that you openly wished for a nation to try full herd immunity. if u were a leader of a country you'd be shoveling boomers into furnaces right now.



This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 1 2020 10:45am

Yes, I believe the model is updated based on new information.

key part of the article:



basically, if by the end of next month we can manufacture enough N95 masks (and distribute sufficient methods to sanitize them for multiple uses) then we could be lifting the restrictions into a world where wearing the masks is required in public for everyone.

In that world, we'd be able to engage in most of our economic functions at a very manageable risk. That is the "light at the end of the tunnel" that I am hoping for. It all depends on the N95 market though. If compulsory N95 use can become our new normal until the vaccine, then it won't be an emergency anymore.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Apr 1 2020 10:53am

if the truth is sensational, then does reporting it qualify as sensationalism?



Are the responses going to prevent the virus from eventually getting everywhere? Social distancing slows the spread, but as long as we try to reopen as soon as it feels safe, we are going to be playing whackamole with different small waves of outbreaks over the next 6 months. There's currently no talk on the table of a plan to isolate and quarantine to stop the spread. We only plan to slow it. Flatten the curve (not cut it off).

I'm sorry, but isn't that a good thing? If the media said X amount of people will die if we don't have protocols for nuclear energy that's not fearmongering for the sake of it. It's informing the public of the consequences IF you don't take it seriously. 80% of the country is under lockdown now BECAUSE states are treating this extremely seriously.

GAHHHH I CAN'T STOP TOUCHING MY FACE

and you will never stop humans touch face at least 15-20 times an hour