I think you're really doing Republicans dirty when you describe it like that. Sure, the MTG-style hardcore MAGA-heads would have cried foul with every outcome, but they are a fringe group. Say the polls in 2020 had been right and Biden had defeated Trump by 9% in the popular vote and ~6% in the EC tipping point state, and he had been ahead since election night - do you really believe that the GOP rank and file would have been as open to kooky election fraud conspiracies in that scenario?

Fact of the matter is that Trump was just a 0.65% uniform swing away from winning reelection and that he lead by big margins on election night in the pivotal states. Then, over night, a huge drop of Dem-leaning ballots came in and Biden narrowly pulls ahead in PA, GA. At the same time, their party made inroads in the House (against expections) and was in position to hold the Senate (until Trump fucked it up with his selfish post-election antics). Yes, the mail ballot vs election day vote split was due to the pandemic, but the mean voter is stupid and uneducated, like... really really fucking stupid. You surely agree with this notion, don't you? So is it a surprise that they can't grasp the effect that these unique circumstances would have on the order in which ballots were counted? I, for my part, am not surprised that Republican rank and file were open to believe Trump's lies considering these circumstances, voters which were predisposed to rather believe that their side won and was cheated than that the other side won fair and square anyway.


Indeed. I have been convinced that every democratic nation gets the government it deserves for a long time. You deserved GWB and Trump and Biden, just like my country deserved Merkel and Scholz, the Frenchies deserve Macron and the Canadians deserve Trudeau.


This goes back to Trump's selfish post-election antics I mentioned above. In the GA Senate runoffs, his influence depressed GOP turnout just enough for them to lose both seats. It was a show of force by Trump, a thinly veiled threat that he has enough influence over his base to ruin any competitive election for the GOP if he tells his supporters to stay home. By doing this, Trump signalled to the party establishment that he can ruin them if they turn on him and try to cast him away. Trump's big lie about the stolen election was horrible for the country, but it allowed him to shake off the stink of being a loser (SAD!) and retain the support of his base. Likewise, the way he blew the GA runoffs was horrible for the GOP, but allowed him to keep his grip over the party.

The party and their media ecosystem could have taken the risk of divorcing from Trump and sat out the turmoil if they had held the Senate, so that there would have been no threat of a Democratic trifecta implementing wide-ranging structural reforms which lock Republicans out of power (DC statehood, packing the Supreme Court etc.) - but with a Dem-trifecta looming, they shied away from ripping the bandaid off.


That's a fair point. More blame has to go to those who vote for loons than for those who prop them up. My point still stands though: Democrats spending millions of dollars to prop up election deniers is a direct and irrefutable contradiction to their argument that these election deniers are a lethal threat to American democracy.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 5 2022 02:38am

It seems like you're justifying some pretty abhorrent behavior. Is the claim that the GOP is only engaging in this because the election wasn't a blowout? Taking advantage of a close election like that seems like one of the most unethical things you can do and proves my point even more: "if we lose, it's not legitimate, facts be damned." You're correct that MTG (she does have very high favorability ratings though in the GOP) represents the fringe but you have to remember that it's a spectrum. What percent of Republican Congressmen had some sort of objection to Biden winning?

Yes, the average voter is INCREDIBLY stupid which is why it's important for our elected officials to not LIE and undermine our voting system. If there is a legitimate problem, you should have a debate in good faith so that the system can be better. Undermining the system due to sour grapes? Completely unacceptable.

>post proof
>fuck you for posting proof




it seems like a larp sometimes. no one tells people to ‘take their meds’ while claiming to have substance problems unless they are a sociopath

he’s a very angry pale pasty poster that much is certain

leading figure for leftie frauds. no science or medical degree (follow the science) pals with jeffory epstein. super OOLD WHYYYTE N RICCHH. frequent flyer to democrat island.
Democrat Island
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This post was edited by TiStuff on Sep 6 2022 06:24pm

this whole thread seems to be again about thoses fuckin 3% of worldwide population spitting at each other like animals that 97% of humanity doesnt care about

cant you guys just stick together and walk in the direction of ocean ? take bill gates with you too and good riddance

E: not in the ocean, enough of sealevel raising. maybe in space. ask elon musk. ty

This post was edited by Melatonina on Sep 6 2022 06:46pm

i remember when George W Bush ran for president in 2000 on this idea. He felt the extremes were the problem and thought he could bring the middle together and get stuff done. Then he won the election, the democrats said he stole it, then Jim Jeffords switched to the democratic party causing the senate to flip to the dems, and they stonewalled Bush and called him illegitimate. By the end of his 2 terms, Bush was frazzled, beaten, bullied, and drunk.

moral of the story. people like Melatonina are the problem because they think everyone in government is trying to get along. the truth is, politics is war.

I wasn't talking about usa gov but usa as a whole country obv

axe of evil : usa - saudia arabia - israel

Just imagine how cool the world would be without them, we would be walking on flowered roads for the end of times.

They literally did steal it. No matter how they did the recount Gore won and Karl Rove literally lead a mob to disrupt the vote counts.

In terms of political power this group is an order of magnitude more powerful in the Republican party than any of the SJW causes have in the Democratic party.

It's pretty transparent what you're doing here. Just the usual minimization for Republicans. There's a real anti democracy and fascist element that has a significant chunk of power in the GOP. You should acknowledge that.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 7 2022 01:00am