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May 12 2016 10:23am
...today's flip-flop - Trump is now saying his proposal to ban all Muslims from entering the country was " just a suggestion " .
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May 12 2016 10:25am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 12 2016 11:23am)
...today's flip-flop - Trump is now saying his proposal to ban all Muslims from entering the country was " just a suggestion " .


I saw that this morning. The lemmings who support him won't care.
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May 12 2016 10:26am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 12 May 2016 08:23)
...today's flip-flop - Trump is now saying his proposal to ban all Muslims from entering the country was " just a suggestion " .


hahaha, just looked this up, absolutely amazing.

I wonder if there's any connection to Paul Ryan selling out the party by backing the dude. Nice to see that he literally has zero integrity though, not that we didn't already know that.

Quote (IceMage @ 12 May 2016 08:25)
I saw that this morning. The lemmings who support him won't care.


On the bright side, some of the 'moderates' who are dumb enough to fall under his sway might break free when they see him being massively inconsistent. Probably not many, tho. :(

This post was edited by AiNedeSpelCzech on May 12 2016 10:27am
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May 12 2016 10:38am
Quote (RzChaos @ May 11 2016 07:01pm)
Why are Trump's tax returns such a big talking point? I highly doubt there is illegal material in there given how many experts he probably has doing his taxes and the fact that IRS audits produce nothing?


Luckily for you a coworker of mine just made a pretty exhaustive list about this. Here's (part) of it:

1) It's become an expectation of modern, major-party candidates (along with releasing a basic summary of their current physical health from their doctor) dating back to 1976 to release multiple years of tax returns for public scrutiny. He'd be the only nominee who'd fully break this tradition. Romney is currently the only person who's cheated this disclosure expectation in the modern era; he released one year and a summary top-sheet of the previous 20 years. Everyone else has released multiple years, varying on the amount.

2) He's (likely) running against a woman who's released every tax return dating back to 1977, so he's automatically starting out at a serious disadvantage against someone who's been incredibly transparent in this realm. You're going to hear a lot of herping and derping from clueless people about "Wall Street transcripts" but that's never an item released for public scrutiny, whereas this has. People want equity from the candidates.

3) He's the wealthiest major-party nominee in the history of the country. This one does pertain strictly to him.
3a) People want to know how he's playing the tax game. There have been different estimations that he doesn't have anywhere near the wealth he claims.

4) He didn't answer for this in the primary, when most candidates usually take care of this by releasing the returns or at least resolving the issue. The heat got so hot on Romney back in 2012 that he couldn't even make it to Florida in that primary before he had to start dumping documents, but Trump's already the presumptive nominee and he's saying he might get elected without even showing voters a summary. That's unprecedented.

5) In true Trump fashion, he's said completely contradictory things on it. He told Hugh Hewitt in February 2015 that he'd "certainly release his returns" if he ran for president, and that he'd have "no objection." Then he said he couldn't because he was being audited. When the IRS reminded everyone that that's not actually true (that he's not prohibited from sharing now), we got a different excuse: he'll do it after the audit is over and not before, he expected it to be after the election. The press said what about previous years, and he said he's been under continuous audit since 2002 so he won't show those returns, either. Now, as of yesterday, his new position is "I'll show you when the audit is finished, which may or may not be before the election."

This is why his returns are such a big issue. Because there's a whole lot there. He's making sure of that.

Quote (EndlessSky @ May 11 2016 10:17pm)
It has nothing to do with his skin color.

It has to do with the fact that his history is occluded, you useless race baiting tit.


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May 12 2016 11:01am
All that herp derping about speeches where she got her revenge cucking bill by sucking off goldman sachs for hours at a time will drone out any tax returns mumbling over trump
The voters don't have to give a hoot if the two are equatable in precedent. They're both on the news and sound similar, thats all it takes.

Hillary left herself strategically open here. She simply won't be able to attack trump on charges of lack of transparency, so trump has all the leeway in the world and theres no reason to commit unforced error

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May 12 2016 11:03am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 12 2016 09:01am)
All that herp derping about speeches where she got her revenge cucking on bill by sucking off goldman sachs for hours at a time will drone out any tax returns mumbling over trump
The voters don't have to give a hoot if the two are equatable in precedent. They're both on the news and sound similar, thats all it takes.

Hillary left herself strategically open here. She simply won't be able to attack trump on charges of lack of transparency, so trump has all the leeway in the world and theres no reason to commit unforced error


Once Bernie is out I wouldn't be surprised if she releases those transcripts instantly which would put it all back on Trump
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May 12 2016 11:06am
Quote (Beowulf @ 12 May 2016 12:03)
Once Bernie is out I wouldn't be surprised if she releases those transcripts instantly which would put it all back on Trump


She should release them now. She should have released them months ago.

She insists nothing damning is in them, but if that's true, why hasn't she released them yet? Are we really holding her to a different standard on these transcripts because of her gender?

Hillary is involved in so many scandals and investigations and secrecy, it's crazy. She is the quintessential politician.

Only two presidential candidates have ever been involved during a federal investigation during their campaign: Richard Nixon and Hillary Clinton.
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May 12 2016 11:07am
Quote (Beowulf @ May 12 2016 11:03am)
Once Bernie is out I wouldn't be surprised if she releases those transcripts instantly which would put it all back on Trump


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May 12 2016 11:08am
Quote (Beowulf @ 12 May 2016 09:03)
Once Bernie is out I wouldn't be surprised if she releases those transcripts instantly which would put it all back on Trump


Yep, this is what I was saying not too long ago. It'd be absolutely perfect for her to hit back with. There's almost certainly nothing in them that's going to hurt her, and it'll be an absolutely perfect counterpunch when Trump tries to use them exactly how Goom Shill outlined. Just wait for the perfect moment where he's ranting and crying about her transcripts, hit him between the eyes with them, and then hammer home that while there's no precedent for sharing speeches like this, there's plenty of precedent for releasing tax returns.

I just hope he waits a bit later in the cycle for that perfect moment, so that the voters don't completely forget.
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May 12 2016 11:10am
Quote (ThatAlex @ May 12 2016 01:06pm)
She should release them now. She should have released them months ago.

She insists nothing damning is in them, but if that's true, why hasn't she released them yet? Are we really holding her to a different standard on these transcripts because of her gender?

Hillary is involved in so many scandals and investigations and secrecy, it's crazy. She is the quintessential politician.

Only two presidential candidates have ever been involved during a federal investigation during their campaign: Richard Nixon and Hillary Clinton.


...uh , no . The tradition of releasing tax returns has 40 years of precedent , the releasing of the speech transcripts does not .
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