you can't even take a joke about being a gullible believer of popular right wing deflections without being triggered...

i'll tell you the same thing i tell my wife. making "jokes" where you're just trying to make a "point" aren't funny. it's just you being a nag with a sarcastic tone that you really mean wholeheartedly.

I'd like to get right on dinner but the dishes are in the way! HAHAHAH isn't that a funny joke. hhahahahaha. you should load the dishwasher tho in all seriousness i know i said i was joking but for real tho, there's like zero counter space.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 24 2019 07:04am

both sides do it, that's an irrefutably correct statement. I never said that they abuse gerrymandering in similar amounts. that's what you falsely interpret into my post.

btw, I'm not a fan of partisan gerrymandering at all. they should stop this shit. not just that it is undemocratic, it makes the parties and incumbents lazy and lose touch with their constituents.


what should also be mentioned is that there is not just partisan gerrymandering, but also self-gerrymandering. the democrats in particular have their voters centered in very compact clusters, which creates lots of "lost votes" in their house districts, and makes it harder for them to compete in the senate. this is the result of them being the party of urban and coastal voters. they willingly chose this coalition despite knowing that it is somewhat disadvantaged in congressional elections. (not presidential elections btw, see the comments below.)



which "other systemic flaws" are you referring to? the fact that the senate and the electoral college favor the smaller, more rural states is intentional design and was a prerequisite for the ratification of the constitution.


in general, I dont even disagree with your conclusion that the republicans wont be able to forever inflate their political power beyond their popular appeal. what I highly disagree with is the notion that they are the villains and the only ones willing to leverage those features of the american political system to their advantage. at the end of the day, they are simply more successful with it in recent years.


one last comment about the electoral college: it is not systematically benefitting republican candidates. in 2004, 2008 and 2012, the electoral college favored the democratic candidate. (the democratic margin in the tipping point state of the election was better than their popular vote margin.)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/will-the-electoral-college-doom-the-democrats-again/

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 24 2019 07:10am

fender heinrich von goebbels denying gerrymandering like he denies the election and the actions of his ancestor joseph

surprise surprise

"you didn't say it, but I am smart enough to know you meant it. and since i'm a genius and called out your cowardice in not admitting it, you're now running scared and on the defense. you're lying now when you explain exactly what you think, because I already know what you think. I'm winning now because you're lying."

literally every conversation with Fender.

what you say doesn't matter, he's got you figured out.

Thesnipa 100% loves trump, even though he wont say it - Fender

Thesnipa is a fake centrist all he posts is anti-Trump stories - Ghot

the fact that these two read each other's posts, yet dont change course, should show how little they actually reassess anything.

oh yeah, one more comment about the whole "both sides gerrymander" discussion:

there are also examples of bipartisan gerrymandering where both major parties conspire to draw a district map which eliminates competitiveness as much as possible, enshrining the current balance of power so that voters cant change it anymore and the parties save a ton of money during the campaigns. the most prominent example of such a bipartisan "save the incumbents" gerrymander was california from 2001-2009:
http://roseinstitute.org/707-2/

this bipartisan gerrymander in california led to gridlock, the economy suffering, the parties no longer listening to the people and hard-liners from both ends of the political spectrum popping up en masse.
it took a ballot initiative to replace this gerrymander with a nonpartisan redistricting commission.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 24 2019 07:28am

trump loving centrist

aka Milo before he wen't for the fame. i remember like 2015 before he exploded he was making the libertarian case for Trump as a pure obstructionist that will not be able to get anything done. Then a month later it shifted to "he wont get anything done, but daddy's gonna bring the wall", then a month later it was full on MAGA.

I actually don't mind Trump, he hasn't gotten much of anything done. I dont like the existence of shit like the southern Abortion bans. and am still scared of a foreign crisis that he will fall short in dealing with. but overall a pretty big bark's worse than his bite POTUS.

#1 meme potus all time too, and that title will remain even as memes expand 10x.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 24 2019 07:32am

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1131911083801960448

Is Rudy drunk at 6 AM or did he have a stroke?






This post was edited by IceMage on May 24 2019 07:47am

He's on that Roseannbian