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May 29 2019 07:51pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 29 2019 09:37pm)
It's pretty hard to make the argument that you weren't implicitly agreeing when you knew the terms of participating in society when you turned 18 and haven't sought to leave. You aren't entitled to stay anywhere or do anything just because you were born there. If your basis is contract theory then you've given consent by participating when you've been given a reasonable condition to not, i.e. leaving.


Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 09:40pm)
Lol, except it's not "reasonable." There is no such place as "tax voluntary." Else I might already be there.



Who?





Have to agree with Thor on this. By remaining IN the USA you are tacitly agreeing to it's laws, etc.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ May 29 2019 07:50pm)
I have a paper right here that claims ownership over you.

Leave the country or give me your money. Now.
If you stay that is consenting to the contract.


Problem with that contract is I haven't actively participated in anything. It's just a claim of ownership, not something I've actively done. You have actively paid taxes, used public services, and a whole host of other things. It's not a passive "staying in the land demarcated as the country" that has sealed your implicit agreement. It's the fact that you actively participate.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ May 29 2019 08:43pm)
People who live off the grid, in communes, independently, etc.


They still pay taxes. There's no such thing as true allodial title to land.

Quote (Thor123422 @ May 29 2019 08:48pm)
You have agreed by participating trying to simply stay alive. You had an option to not participate, and you never took it. You can agree to a contract by your actions even if you never sign a document as long as there's a way out, and there is a reasonable way out.

You don't inherently have a right to be here because you were born here, you were given that right by the very contract that you say you haven't agreed to.


FTFY. Sorry, that's not a true "option."
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Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 05:53pm)
They still pay taxes. There's no such thing as true allodial title to land.


Can you explain this more?
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May 29 2019 07:55pm
Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 07:53pm)
They still pay taxes. There's no such thing as true allodial title to land.

FTFY. Sorry, that's not a true "option."


Except you aren't simply "trying to stay alive". You are accruing wealth, participating in the political process, using public services, and hundreds of other things.

If you were born in the country and then lived in a totally self-sufficient way out in the woods on land your parents owned or someone abandoned, then you could make that argument in good faith, but that's not the case.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 29 2019 07:55pm
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Problem with that contract is I haven't actively participated in anything. It's just a claim of ownership, not something I've actively done. You have actively paid taxes, used public services, and a whole host of other things. It's not a passive "staying in the land demarcated as the country" that has sealed your implicit agreement. It's the fact that you actively participate.


Thanks for consenting. There is war just around the corner that I will volunteer you for.
Btw if you refuse to give me your money i will lock you in a cage. You already consented by staying here so i own you now.

Im sure the Jews will be glad to hear from you that their ancestors and families actually consented to be ruled by the Nazis.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ May 29 2019 08:54pm)
Can you explain this more?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

Briefly, you never have full claim to your property, someone (society) ALWAYS has a "superior" claim to your property.

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Except you aren't simply "trying to stay alive". You are accruing wealth, participating in the political process, using public services, and hundreds of other things.

If you were born in the country and then lived in a totally self-sufficient way out in the woods on land your parents owned and passed on to you, then you could make that argument in good faith, but that's not the case.


I must of necessity be limited strictly to "trying to stay alive" to have a valid claim? Lulz. Sorry, just by trying to use your system to stop you from stealing from me doesn't mean you get to imply my acquiescence to your system.
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May 29 2019 08:01pm
Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 07:58pm)
I must of necessity be limited strictly to "trying to stay alive" to have a valid claim? Lulz. Sorry, just by trying to use your system to stop you from stealing from me doesn't mean you get to imply my acquiescence to your system.


I was just responding to the specific claim you made.

Again, it's only stealing if you totally ignore the fact that you actively participate and have never made an attempt to leave, thus clearly showing an implicit agreement.

It's pretty basic law that you can implicitly agree to a contract by your actions. If you can leave, participate, and make no attempt to leave the agreement, then any court in any country would uphold that you are agreeing to the contract.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ May 29 2019 09:01pm)
I was just responding to the specific claim you made.

Again, it's only stealing if you totally ignore the fact that you actively participate and have never made an attempt to leave, thus clearly showing an implicit agreement.

It's pretty basic law that you can implicitly agree to a contract by your actions. If you can leave, participate, and make no attempt to leave the agreement, then any court in any country would uphold that you are agreeing to the contract.


Again, there's no such thing as "leaving taxation." Your presentation of an "alternative" is farcical.
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May 29 2019 08:05pm
Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 08:03pm)
Again, there's no such thing as "leaving taxation." Your presentation of an "alternative" is farcical.


I've already said you aren't owed an alternative. You are owed the option to leave this specific contract.

If I use your logic to it's conclusion then I shouldn't have to pay rent because "not paying for housing" isn't an alternative.
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