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May 29 2019 07:27pm
Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 09:25pm)
If by certain quality, you mean "be alive," then yes.



I would go to prison for tax evasion and so would he.




Well yeah, but as i said he would lose his company and all the other employees would lose their jobs as well.
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May 29 2019 07:28pm
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Well yeah, but as i said he would lose his company and all the other employees would lose their jobs as well.


Not likely. Ownership might transfer to a new entity, or some such, but the company is probably fine.
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May 29 2019 07:37pm
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The luxury of not working is left to those of incredible means in the first place.
My employer is bound by the same fate. Hire me and face the same punishments.


It's pretty hard to make the argument that you weren't implicitly agreeing when you knew the terms of participating in society when you turned 18 and haven't sought to leave. You aren't entitled to stay anywhere or do anything just because you were born there. If your basis is contract theory then you've given consent by participating when you've been given a reasonable condition to not, i.e. leaving.
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May 29 2019 07:40pm
Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 05:25pm)
If by certain quality, you mean "be alive," then yes. "arbeit macht frei"


People would be, and are, alive without participating in a tax system though.
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It's pretty hard to make the argument that you weren't implicitly agreeing when you knew the terms of participating in society when you turned 18 and haven't sought to leave. You aren't entitled to stay anywhere or do anything just because you were born there. If your basis is contract theory then you've given consent by participating when you've been given a reasonable condition to not, i.e. leaving.


Lol, except it's not "reasonable." There is no such place as "tax voluntary." Else I might already be there.

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People would be, and are, alive without participating in a tax system though.


Who?

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Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 05:40pm)
Who?


People who live off the grid, in communes, independently, etc.
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May 29 2019 07:43pm
Quote (Santara @ May 29 2019 07:40pm)
Lol, except it's not "reasonable." There is no such place as "tax voluntary." Else I might already be there.
Who?


You aren't owed an alternative, you are owed a way to not engage in the contract.

Your argument might as well be "I only agreed to the apartment lease because there's no such place as "live for free". You aren't owed a place to live, you're owed an option to not engage with that manager.

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It's pretty hard to make the argument that you weren't implicitly agreeing when you knew the terms of participating in society when you turned 18 and haven't sought to leave. You aren't entitled to stay anywhere or do anything just because you were born there. If your basis is contract theory then you've given consent by participating when you've been given a reasonable condition to not, i.e. leaving.


How many times are you going to lose this argument and rehash it like it never happened?

"im going to steal your shit if you dont leave the country" is not a voluntary arrangement.
"You havent left the country" is not consent to let government actors do whatever they want.
Other men have no rightful claim to me or anyone else.
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How many times are you going to lose this argument and rehash it like it never happened?

"im going to steal your shit if you dont leave the country" is not a voluntary arrangement.
"You havent left the country" is not consent to let government actors do whatever they want.
Other men have no rightful claim to me or anyone else.


You have agreed by participating. You had an option to not participate, and you never took it. You can agree to a contract by your actions even if you never sign a document as long as there's a way out, and there is a reasonable way out.

You don't inherently have a right to be here because you were born here, you were given that right by the very contract that you say you haven't agreed to.

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You have agreed by participating. You had an option to not participate, and you never took it. You can agree to a contract by your actions even if you never sign a document as long as there's a way out, and there is a reasonable way out.

You don't inherently have a right to be here because you were born here, you were given that right by the very contract that you say you haven't agreed to.


I have a paper right here that claims ownership over you.

Leave the country or give me your money. Now.
If you stay that is consenting to the contract.
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