I'm not portraying red states as victims, lol. This whole discussion started with your claim that the blue states were subsidizing the poor/unproductive red states. To respond to this claim and show that it goes both ways, I gave two counterexamples where blue states are profiting at the expense of red states, irrespective of the underlying reasons.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 17 2019 03:28pm

You don't even realize you are doing it.

And offering intelligent Red Staters a nice place to live after subsidizing their education for twelve years isn't victimizing them.

Will you address that young, smart, people do not want to be governed by people who are lesser than them and want to restrict their rights?

are you trolling or just stupid? what about the phrase "it goes both ways" do you not understand?

mentioning that there are also (some) fields where red states are subsidizing blue states does in no way shape or form imply that I consider them victims.





will you address that young smart people flock to those places because of the higher education they can only get there; and that the politics are only a secondary or tertiary reason? And it's not like every college student is super liberal either.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 17 2019 03:43pm

The politics is what creates the educational environment in the first place. Education costs public investment.

It's not a "which came first" its a feedback loop.

Is public investment into education actually higher in blue states if you normalize it by the number of students?

Also, I highly doubt that politics are what created the culture and success of Ivy League universities.


In any case, college towns tend to be very liberal because of the people who live there. This is true even in red states. The fact that the majority of colleges, and elite colleges in particular, are found in blue states doesnt have a lot to do with that. The distribution of colleges is mostly driven by the settlement structure and the history of the country and not by the politics of recent decades.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 17 2019 03:52pm

Smart people go to states that value education. You keep proving my point and saying nuh uh.

People, smart and less smart, go to various states for all kinds of reasons.
Claiming they do so for any one reason, is pretty inane.

smart people go to states which provide educational and professional opportunities. educational opportunities are mostly found in urban centers for logistical reasons. and due to globalization and the shift away from production towards service industries, the cities also provide the best professional opportunities.

essentially, the causal reason is the rural/urban divide, not the liberal/conservative divide. they are strongly correlated these days, but that wasnt always the case.


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we all agree that college students are a more liberal demographic than the population at large. where we disagree is which comes first: politics or opportunity.

your hypothesis is that young smart people from red states move to blue states because those places are more liberal and education friendly, and that these places become more economically successful as a result.
my hypothesis is that young smart people from red states move to blue states because that's where the majority of colleges and good jobs are, and that these places become more liberal as a result.

my hypothesis is compatible with the way california, virginia and colorado turned from red states into blue states. it also is compatible with the rust belt trending red. and it is compatible with the population boom of states like texas, florida or georgia. (i.e.: if a red state is providing plenty of opportunity, it attracts people, irrespective of its conservative politics.)

similarly, if your hypothesis was true and liberal politics were the primary asset attracting people to a state, then very liberal places like connecticut or vermont should be booming and see above average growth. this clearly isnt the case, connecticut is actually even losing people:
https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-census-population-decline-20181220-ajf7hs5qxjg4lfz2jen4idpbty-story.html




as I said above: it's all about the urban/rural divide - blue states without urban centers (like vermont or connecticut) stagnate or decline, red states with strong urban centers (texas, florida) are booming despite conservative politics.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 17 2019 05:46pm

Good luck getting blood from that stone. He isn't really interested in learning anything new. He wants his "republicans are evil" narrative to be true without any nuance or logical relationships.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/17/exclusive-2016-arizona-police-report-cocaine-pipe-found-in-car-rented-by-joe-bidens-son-hunter-biden-authorities-declined-to-prosecute/

Breitbart got their hands on a legit scoop
basically the TLDR:

• Hunter Biden had previously been kicked out of the Navy after failing a drug test, and his wife in divorce filings cited how he blew through money on drugs and hookers
  
• In 2016 Hunter Biden and a friend drops off a rental car in a hurry because he's 'sick'
  
• Rental company finds inside it Hunter Biden's drivers license, his credit cards, delaware attorney general's badge with his name, secret service card with his name, a cocaine pipe and bag of cocaine
  
• Two police departments, city and county attorneys, FBI & Secret Service all got involved in the response, and created exceptionally detailed police reports
  
• The county declined to prosecute the drug offenses citing as a reason that they would only be able to get possession to stick, which they leave up to city prosecutors
  
• The city magically declined to prosecute the drug offenses, with no cited reason. And the whole affair vanished into thin air

Reminds me of how Woody Kaine was caught red-handed in an Antifa riot in MN, on video participating in the mob violence. And he magically got all of his serious charges dropped and pled to the most minor offense that gave him a $150 fine and year of probation