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May 25 2019 09:36am
Quote (fender @ May 25 2019 10:31am)
healthcare systems are determined by federal policy, and when you compare america with its peer countries there is no metric by which you can come to the conclusion that your system serves its people better than those countries, that's an outright ridiculous suggestion.

i see how you're pivoting to other metrics and how you're trying to obscure the results by laughably acting like all of europe had a united healthcare system, but that's not any less transparent than the previous deflection attempts by other hacks.
the funny thing is: i know you know how shitty your system is, like a majority of americans in fact. i know you're probably aware that you're being fucked by your politicians, who rather spend the money on wars (to benefit their fossil fuel and defence industry donors), walls, and tax breaks for the rich, while pretending universal healthcare is just not affordable. the problem with a majority of right wingers, and this forum provides ample proof for that on a daily basis, is that you just can't help but make excuses for it - because 'murica. it's the very conditioning republicans use to have their base vote against their own best interest over and over: jingoism and fearmongering works wonders with simple people...



The only metric you've referenced is whether or not the United States has a universal healthcare system.

They do not, and their HDI doesn't appear to be impacted.

So what are you saying exactly? That people in New Hampshire don't live better than people in France or Germany? They certainly do.

Americans benefit in terms of higher salaries and choice driven care, Europeans benefit through universal coverage.
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The graph is incorrect, which makes it hard to draw any firm conclusion from it.

Is the United States doing well or not? Is European civilization doing well or not? No idea, because the authors don't understand history.


You refuse to read the graph, you stick on 1 line, prolly saying egyt isnt egypt, on the map.
Ofc you can split stuff as much as you want, maybe it arrange you for some reasons i dont care.
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The only metric you've referenced is whether or not the United States has a universal healthcare system.

They do not, and their HDI doesn't appear to be impacted.

So what are you saying exactly? That people in New Hampshire don't live better than people in France or Germany? They certainly do.

Americans benefit in terms of higher salaries and choice driven care, Europeans benefit through universal coverage.


i'm saying people in germany for example live better than those in america on average, and health(care) is just one of the metrics to support that. others are crime, freedom, happiness, free time, worker protection, income equality... just to name a few.
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Quote (bogie160 @ May 26 2019 12:52am)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_Human_Development_Index

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_Human_Development_Index

Compare apples to apples.

The United States is of a scale and size comparable to Europe. So compare our wealthy states to Europe's wealthy states, and our poor states to your poor states.

HDI numbers don't bear your argument out. We have a different method of providing healthcare, but better or worse, the American model has worked best.


worked best in what way? lmao you realise you're one of if not the worst industrialised country for preventable deaths right? I don't think you're better than the UK, who are around the middle of your list of states in terms of hdi, in any metric at all?

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