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May 24 2019 04:27pm
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Pretty obvious you’ve never read Brave New World hence your deep ignorance on what Huxley is talking about.

Read Huxley and read something that was published in the last decade. It’s night and day. You thinking that the writers of today are richer and more elegant versus 100 years ago is just lol. Southern education on display right here folks.


You're just trying to pass off opinion as fact. What is rich and elegant is in the eye of the beholder, and the works of the past being better is dependent on survivorship bias.

Yep, never read Huxley. If you read and understood it then make the arguments instead of appealing to authority for your argument.
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May 24 2019 04:34pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 24 2019 03:24pm)
True we're certainly higher than in the 30s, but that's not what you said.

What you claimed was
which was completely wrong.



There are studies cited in the links that I posted which say that this IQ stagnation/regression can also be observed within families in parent/children comparisons or between younger and older siblings. This contradicts the hypotheses that the drop in IQ is caused by low-IQ immigration or by higher fertility rates of lower-IQ classes within the developed world. Havent read those original studies though, so I cant say how persuasive and how methodologically sound they are.


Ill look more at it later tonight
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May 24 2019 04:36pm
Paraphrasing the famous "we're drowning in data and starving for insights"-quote, I would say that humanity in the 21st century is drowning in information but starving for understanding.

Compared to the first half of the 20th century, the breadth of our knowledge has gone up substantially, but conversely, its depth has gone down.

I would call it the facebook-timelineization of the way we obtain and process information. We're all taking in way too much "informational junk food" - random, forgettable, easy to digest, lacks nutritional value.
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May 24 2019 04:39pm
Quote (Skinned @ May 24 2019 06:15pm)
Or young white boys carrying tiki torches because they felt oppressed and one of them ran over a person intentionally :(

Yeah, we remember things.




One incident compared to like a thousand.
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You're just trying to pass off opinion as fact. What is rich and elegant is in the eye of the beholder, and the works of the past being better is dependent on survivorship bias.

Yep, never read Huxley. If you read and understood it then make the arguments instead of appealing to authority for your argument.


Google the top 10, 20, 50 English literature authors and you will get pictures of a bunch of people in black and white photos. There's a reason for that. The modern literary world recognizes who the greats are.

The fact that you think current writers can be talked about in the same light as the Twains, Wells, Lees, Huxleys, Hemingways of the world is pure ignorance.
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Google the top 10, 20, 50 English literature authors and you will get pictures of a bunch of people in black and white photos. There's a reason for that. The modern literary world recognizes who the greats are.

The fact that you think current writers can be talked about in the same light as the Twains, Wells, Lees, Huxleys, Hemingways of the world is pure ignorance.


What you remember is the good stuff. Good stuff is written all the time, but in the moment its lost in a sea of shit. The past seems rosey because you just never heard about all the shit that got published. In 100 years they will remember the good stuff from our time same as any other, and people will be saying the exact same thing.

Try to have some historical perspective.

Also, Shakespear makes his fair share of crude jokes, a lot of it is hard to pick out though because of the language barrier, so dont think the classics are pure. Humor and entertainment doesnt change that much.

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CALGARY—On a grassy hill at Blackfoot Crossing in 1967, five-year-old Milton Tootoosis watched as the bones of legendary Cree Chief Poundmaker were exhumed from Alberta’s soil.

It was a solemn, spiritual affair. Tootoosis recalled seeing a teepee, dignitaries and lines of yellow school buses parked on the hill. As a young boy, he didn’t know a lot about Poundmaker — and most history books had branded him a traitor. The Cree leader known as Pitikwahanapiwiyin was jailed in 1885 for treason-felony. But there was an allure to Poundmaker that Tootoosis and the other children in attendance at his exhumation felt.

“We knew as five-year-old kids that this individual that we were paying attention to that day was someone very special,” the headman and councillor of the Poundmaker Cree Nation recently said.

On Thursday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau exonerated Poundmaker following decades of work by First Nations elders and leaders, including Tootoosis, to clear his name. Following a pipe ceremony and a formal grand entry to the Poundmaker Cree Nation including elders and the Cree leader’s direct descendants, Trudeau described Poundmaker as a leader who never stopped trying to establish peace.

“We recognize that the unjust conviction and imprisonment of Chief Poundmaker had and continues to have a profound impact on the Poundmaker Cree Nation,” the prime minister said.

“I am here today, on behalf of the government of Canada, to confirm without reservation that Chief Poundmaker is fully exonerated of any crime or wrongdoing.”

The ceremony came just over a year after Trudeau exonerated six Tsilhqot’in war chiefs hanged in 1864 for defending their traditional territories. Some hope it will prompt future exonerations, but Tootoosis is just happy to see the record set straight concerning Poundmaker’s reputation.

“We are all very excited, honoured, thrilled,” Tootoosis said. “At the same time, I think it’s going to be very emotional and kind of sad because of who Poundmaker was and the fact it took this long to have some justice — to clear his name.”

Growing up on the Poundmaker Cree Nation near Cut Knife, Sask., Tootoosis always wondered what really happened at the Battle of Cut Knife. The incident made the New York Times’ front page. ‘DEFEATED BY THE INDIANS: COL. OTTER ROUTED BY CHIEF POUNDMAKER’ screamed the newspaper’s headline in May 1885, painting the Cree leader as a bloodthirsty rebel. In university, Tootoosis began reading about a very different Poundmaker. This Poundmaker was a skilled orator, a shrewd negotiator and ultimately, a peacemaker.


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Born around 1842 in what is now Saskatchewan, Poundmaker was ceremonially adopted by Siksika Chief Crowfoot after his son was killed during a battle. This tightened the bonds between the Cree and Siksika peoples, who traditionally saw each other as bitter enemies.

“He was very well respected. They actually took him into their societies and they actually respected him because he learned the language,” Tootoosis said.

By 1876, Poundmaker — then in his 30s — was a minor band leader who took part in Treaty 6 negotiations with the Crown at Fort Carlton, Sask. During the negotiations that August, Poundmaker questioned the basis of the government’s authority to grant First Nations peoples their own land, arguing it “isn’t a piece of pemmican to be cut off and given in little pieces back to us. It is ours and we will take what we want.”


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But the buffalo herds that Plains Cree peoples depended on for food and survival had dwindled alarmingly and Treaty 6 promised to supply bands who signed with rations. Influential Cree leaders at the negotiations considered this the best option, so Poundmaker signed.

Nearly a decade later, in the spring of 1885, the Cree leader and his followers travelled to Battleford, Sask., to seek the rations the Crown owed them under Treaty 6. The local Indian agent refused to leave the protection of a local fort to meet with them thanks to a recent uprising by Métis leader Louis Riel — which became known as the Northwest Rebellion.

This infuriated some warriors in Poundmaker’s band and they raided Battleford itself in response. In retaliation, a force of 325 armed men led by Lieutenant-Colonel William Otter attacked Poundmaker’s camp on May 2 near Cut Knife Hill. After seven hours of fighting, hundreds of Cree and Stoney warriors managed to repel the settlers. Though Poundmaker was known as a peace chief and, according to Tootoosis, had no authority to command the warriors, he managed to convince them to let the troops retreat.

He later offered to conduct peace negotiations with the Canadian government in Battleford. Instead, when he arrived there in May of 1885, he was arrested, convicted of treason-felony and sentenced to three years’ imprisonment in Manitoba’s Stony Mountain Penitentiary. Released after a year due to ill health, Poundmaker returned to Alberta to visit Crowfoot on the Siksika reserve and died there in July 1886.

Originally buried at Blackfoot Crossing, his remains were exhumed at the 1967 ceremony Tootoosis witnessed and repatriated to the Poundmaker Cree Nation that same year.

More than 50 years later, the land that welcomed the chief back hosted his exoneration.

Trudeau arrived at the ceremony in a horse-drawn carriage with a procession of other chiefs and elders to the sound of drumming, singing and cheering. Assembly of First Nations National Chief Perry Bellegarde was among the attendees, as was Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations Carolyn Bennett and Saskatchewan MP Ralph Goodale.

The ceremony took place on a hill in front of five teepees near where Poundmaker’s remains are buried. A black and white framed photograph of the chief stood next to the stage.

Hundreds of people filled the stands and sat on the grass to witness the ceremony. Many of them wore colourful traditional dress, adorned with exquisite beadwork and ribbons. Others wore white shirts featuring a picture of Poundmaker and the word “Justice.”

Pauline Favel, a descendant of Poundmaker, said the exoneration goes a long way toward truth and reconciliation for Indigenous people.

“Not giving up and wanting this done for our healing is huge for our people, as a nation,” she said.

Another Cree chief in similar circumstances has yet to see his name cleared. Chief Big Bear, a contemporary of Poundmaker, was also convicted of treason-felony and imprisoned in Stony Mountain Penitentiary. Terry Atimoyoo of the Little Pine First Nation has been calling up Chief Big Bear’s descendants from across Canada and the United States to co-ordinate such an effort. Last year, he held a descendants’ gathering to share stories, and intends to organize another this summer.

“It’ll happen. We’ll pursue it,” Atimoyoo said of an exoneration for Big Bear.

The Poundmaker ceremony was expected to attract anywhere from 2,000 to 5,000 people, including schoolchildren who are the same age Tootoosis was when he watched the exhumation at Blackfoot Crossing all those decades ago. He said the ceremony will have great significance for the Poundmaker Cree Nation — and for reconciliation as a whole.

“I’m very hopeful it’ll continue,” Tootoosis said. “That the exoneration of Chief Poundmaker should — I hope — open further conversation, further research and further respect for the Indigenous perspective as to what happened during the past century.”


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Google the top 10, 20, 50 English literature authors and you will get pictures of a bunch of people in black and white photos. There's a reason for that. The modern literary world recognizes who the greats are.

The fact that you think current writers can be talked about in the same light as the Twains, Wells, Lees, Huxleys, Hemingways of the world is pure ignorance.


The likes of J V Jones, Paul S Kemp, Stephen Erixson, Brent Weeks and many others far surpass those legendary writers, rose colored glasses aside no one has written anything close to the epic scale of the malazan book of the fallen in history.
These days we are starved for choice, guys like tolstoy were big fish in little ponds.
Not a single name you mentioned has done anything anywhere near as creative and powerful as brent weeks Night angel trilogy for example and you have probably never even heard of him.
Keep in mind i read a book a day and have read more than my share of the old "greats", the only one i rate as highly as my modern favorites is alexandre dumas, that guy had a gift.

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The likes of J V Jones, Paul S Kemp, Stephen Erixson, Brent Weeks and many others far surpass those legendary writers, rose colored glasses aside no one has written anything close to the epic scale of the malazan book of the fallen in history.
These days we are starved for choice, guys like tolstoy were big fish in little ponds.
Not a single name you mentioned has done anything anywhere near as creative and powerful as brent weeks Night angel trilogy for example and you have probably never even heard of him.
Keep in mind i read a book a day and have read more than my share of the old "greats", the only one i rate as highly as my modern favorites is alexandre dumas, that guy had a gift.


Your subjective preference for contemporary writers is irrelevant. The plebs you mentioned can't even be talked about in the same sentence as some of the best writers that are recognized worldwide. Everyone knows and appreciates the Twains, the Tolstoys, the Hemingways, i've never even heard about these b-tier writers you mentioned.

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