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Sep 2 2022 05:13pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 2 2022 06:50pm)
I get that you're from Europe, but you really should get your head out of the sand. Ghot is not an anomoly. There are literally millions of Ghots out there.

Again, Fox has more viewers than MSNBC or CNN combined and they preach a radical right wing message whereas CNN is middling and actively changing their content to cater to Republicans and MSNBC hosts people like Scarborough who constantly played interferrence for Trump.

There's a majorly influential radical faction in the United States, and it's firmly on the right.



Lmao……
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Lmao……


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Biden isn't the legitimate President


anyone who is not an idiot knows PedoHitler biden isn't a legitimat president:

FBI rigged the 2020 election by instructing social media giants to BLACKLIST a FACTUAL story of Biden family corruption via selling access to the white house for personal gain

https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/zuckerberg-blames-fbi-for-censoring-the-posts-hunter-biden-scoop/

entire left-wing propaganda machine used the FBI's Big Lie to amplify false claims that the actually-real story was "fake"

51 treasonous actors from the USA intelligence community colluded in a conspiracy against the USA president and amplified the FBI's Big Lie (without any consequences)

PedoHitler's Administration via the press secretary parroted the debunked & disgraced disinformation - multiple times



Mike Hayden, former CIA director, now analyst for CNN: Didn’t respond.

Jim Clapper, former director of national intelligence, now CNN pundit: “Yes, I stand by the statement made AT THE TIME, and would call attention to its 5th paragraph. I think sounding such a cautionary note AT THE TIME was appropriate.”

Leon Panetta, former CIA director and defense secretary, now runs a public policy institute at California State University: Declined comment.

John Brennan, former CIA director, now analyst for NBC and MSNBC: Didn’t respond.

Thomas Fingar, former National Intelligence Council chair, now teaches at Stanford University: Didn’t respond.

Rick Ledgett, former National Security Agency deputy director, now a director at M&T Bank: Didn’t respond.

John McLaughlin, former CIA acting director, now teaches at Johns Hopkins University: Didn’t respond.

Michael Morell, former CIA acting director, now at George Mason University: Didn’t respond.

Mike Vickers, former defense undersecretary for intelligence, now on board of BAE Systems: Didn’t respond.

Doug Wise, former Defense Intelligence Agency deputy director, teaches at University of New Mexico: Didn’t respond.

Nick Rasmussen, former National Counterterrorism Center director, now executive director, Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism: Didn’t respond.

Russ Travers, former National Counterterrorism Center acting director: “The letter explicitly stated that we didn’t know if the emails were genuine, but that we were concerned about Russian disinformation efforts. I spent 25 years as a Soviet/Russian analyst. Given the context of what the Russians were doing at the time (and continue to do — Ukraine being just the latest example), I considered the cautionary warning to be prudent.”

Andy Liepman, former National Counterterrorism Center deputy director: “As far as I know I do [stand by the statement] but I’m kind of busy right now.”

John Moseman, former CIA chief of staff: Didn’t respond.

Larry Pfeiffer, former CIA chief of staff, now senior advisor to The Chertoff Group:
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Jeremy Bash, former CIA chief of staff, now analyst for NBC and MSNBC: Didn’t respond.

Rodney Snyder, former CIA chief of staff: Didn’t respond.

Glenn Gerstell, former National Security Agency general counsel: Didn’t respond.

David Priess, former CIA analyst and manager: “Thank you for reaching out. I have no further comment at this time.”

Pam Purcilly, former CIA deputy director of analysis: Didn’t respond.

Marc Polymeropoulos, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

Chris Savos, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

John Tullius, former CIA senior intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

David A. Vanell, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

Kristin Wood, former CIA senior intelligence officer, now non-resident fellow, Harvard: Didn’t respond.

David Buckley, former CIA inspector general: Didn’t respond.

Nada Bakos, former CIA analyst and targeting officer, now senior fellow, Foreign Policy Research Institute: Didn’t respond.

Patty Brandmaier, former CIA senior intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

James B. Bruce, former CIA senior intelligence office: Didn’t respond.

David Cariens, former CIA intelligence analyst: Didn’t respond.

Janice Cariens, former CIA operational support officer: Didn’t respond.

Paul Kolbe, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

Peter Corsell, former CIA analyst: Didn’t respond.

Brett Davis, former CIA senior intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

Roger Zane George, former national intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

Steven L. Hall, former CIA senior intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

Kent Harrington, former national intelligence officer: Didn’t respond.

Don Hepburn, former national security executive, now president of Boanerges Solutions LLC: “My position has not changed any. I believe the Russians made a huge effort to alter the course of the election . . . The Russians are masters of blending truth and fiction and making something feel incredibly real when it’s not. Nothing I have seen really changes my opinion. I can’t tell you what part is real and what part is fake, but the thesis still stands for me, that it was a media influence hit job.”

Timothy D. Kilbourn, former dean of CIA’s Kent School of Intelligence Analysis: Didn’t respond.

Ron Marks, former CIA officer: Didn’t respond.

Jonna Hiestand Mendez, former CIA technical operations officer, now on board of the International Spy Museum: “I don’t have any comment. I would need a little more information.”

Emile Nakhleh, former director of CIA’s Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program, now at University of New Mexico: “I have not seen any information since then that would alter the decision behind signing the letter. That’s all I can go into. The whole issue was highly politicized and I don’t want to deal with that. I still stand by that letter.”

Gerald A. O’Shea, former CIA senior operations officer: Didn’t respond.

Nick Shapiro, former CIA deputy chief of staff and senior adviser to the director: Didn’t respond.

John Sipher, former CIA senior operations officer: Declined to comment.

Stephen Slick, former National Security Council senior director for intelligence programs:
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Cynthia Strand, former CIA deputy assistant director for global issues: Didn’t respond.

Greg Tarbell, former CIA deputy executive director: Didn’t respond.

David Terry, former National Intelligence Collection Board chairman: Couldn’t be reached.

Greg Treverton, former National Intelligence Council chair, now senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies: “I’ll pass. I haven’t followed the case recently.”

Winston Wiley, former CIA director of analysis: Couldn’t be reached.


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Quote (thundercock @ 2 Sep 2022 21:34)
The GOP politicians you mentioned are certainly part of "mainstream Republicans" but you're also forgetting people such as Shelley Capito, Betsy DeVos, etc. And yes, there are some SUBSTANTIAL policy differences between those folks and the Democrats. Yes, many Democrats smeared those same people. Last night, Biden managed to PRAISE those same people for doing the BARE MINIMUM....yet you're still offended. Why is that?

Biden praised them to draw a contrast to Trump. He isn't fond of them, he just likes that they're pushovers and/or ineffectual.

And like I've written in the other thread: when a Republican does "the right thing" and stands up to Trump like Peter Meijer in Michigan, Democrats spend significant money on propping up his radical, election-denying primary opponent who knocked him off. And that's in a swing district where even this radical candidate can definitely win in a red-leaning year. That's how much Democrats truly feel threatened by these radical "MAGA Republicans", that's how they reward reasonable, moderate Republicans who had "put country over party" to stand with democracy and against Trump. Judge them by their actions, not their rhetoric.


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Ghot is your MEDIAN Republican voter.

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I get that you're from Europe, but you really should get your head out of the sand. Ghot is not an anomoly. There are literally millions of Ghots out there.

Maybe we just disagree on how radical Ghot is? To me, he's a staunch partisan with a black/white worldview who uncritically regurgitates any Republican propaganda he comes across - but he strikes me as someone who runs his mouth and is edgy online, but wouldn't really be all that radical in rl. I really doubt that he'd be willing to shove a gun in the face of Democratic lawmakers to overthrow an election, push for the death penalty for women who had an abortion, round up minorities and put them in camps, or anything like that.

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Maybe we just disagree on how radical Ghot is? To me, he's a staunch partisan with a black/white worldview who uncritically regurgitates any Republican propaganda he comes across - but he strikes me as someone who runs his mouth and is edgy online, but wouldn't really be all that radical in rl. I really doubt that he'd be willing to shove a gun in the face of Democratic lawmakers to overthrow an election, push for the death penalty for women who had an abortion, round up minorities and put them in camps, or anything like that.


Sure, because he's old and decrepid. There's plenty with able bodies who would actually do those things and do actually do those things by the millions.
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Sure, because he's old and decrepid. There's plenty with able bodies who would actually do those things and do actually do those things by the millions.


Quibbling over the exact numbers is kinda important here. Out of a nation of over 330 million, are there over 2 million radical Trump supporters who would do all those things? Sure. Are there 30-40 million like that? BIG doubt.
Similarly, it makes a difference for the assessment of how much the modern GOP is a threat to democracy if 5% or maybe 10% of their supporters/voters are extremists in this mold, or if its 40, 50, 60%.

I'd say at the very least 40% of Trump voters would self-describe as "MAGA Republicans", which is why I think that Biden is far too broad-brushed when he paints all of them as Jan6-style extremists. But maybe you genuinely believe that some 40-ish percent of Republican voters fall into this category?! *shrug*
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Sep 2 2022 07:09pm
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the amount of cognitive dissonance your post have is actually alarming.
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