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Oct 23 2024 07:34pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 23 2024 09:24pm)
Its more evidence that Trump rubs people the wrong way and gets under their skin enough they can't put their personal grievances aside. And at this point that's like saying water is wet. Bill Barr is probably the only person to emerge from that white house with a chin held high
Doesn't change the fact most Americans don't care what John Kelly has to say, and Goldberg knows this and his inflammatory accusation is about Trump denigrating mexicans, to which the mexican family in question repudiated goldberg

Nobody is going to have their opinion about Trump's effectiveness as president changed because John Kelly just echoes some empty antifa talking points. He didn't have any specific bombshells to drop, he just accuses Trump of being a bad orange man. He'll be a fascist, he'll be a dictator! Trump was president for 4 years and didn't do any of the stuff the Democrats screamed about, but Biden's storm troopers were raiding home of his political enemies in the middle of the night


I want to be clear here. You believe John Kelly is making false claims publicly about Donald Trump?

John Kelly was a 4 star general, his son died fighting overseas, he served as the DHS secretary overseeing Trump's immigration regime which was incredibly restrictive, and then served as Chief of Staff. And you think he's just making stuff up?

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Oct 23 2024 07:41pm
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I was more focused on the comments from Trump that John Kelly goes on the record about. That's what the news is focusing on. I suppose focusing on one claim of the article is a way to ignore his longest serving chief of staff making several damning accusations against the man he served for.

Look, I know it's a cult and you guys are not capable of caring about anything, but the fact that Trump's Vice President, Chief of Staff, and so many other former officials are telling the American public not to support him is extraordinary. It's an indictment of our country that this election is even close.


how many rolls of toilet paper did you buy? did you get yourself one of the covid cult jab tats? how many masks did you wear? cult leader told you to jab up with the trump juice, you do that to?
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Oct 23 2024 07:41pm
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I want to be clear here. You believe John Kelly is making false claims publicly about Donald Trump?


When John Kelly is purporting to know how Trump will act in the future? That he'd be a fascist dictator?
Do you think John Kelly is a time traveler, a mind reader or a transdimensional spider demon weaving webs of fate?

Those aren't claims you can make, they can't be called true or false, they're just hyperbolic conjecture and we already had Trump as president for 4 years and he wasn't putting his political opponents in prison or seizing their penthouses or having government agencies spy on his rivals. Weird how all that fascist stuff is what Biden did
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Oct 23 2024 07:43pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 23 2024 06:34pm)
I want to be clear here. You believe John Kelly is making false claims publicly about Donald Trump?

John Kelly was a 4 star general, his son died fighting overseas, he served as the DHS secretary overseeing Trump's immigration regime which was incredibly restrictive, and then served as Chief of Staff. And you think he's just making stuff up?


is he as weird as that bichazz masked up mark millie
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Oct 23 2024 07:45pm
A weird quirk about Trump cultists is they think of everyone else as if they are as thin-skinned as Donald Trump.

John Kelly, Jim Mattis, Mark Milley all talk about how Trump is a serious threat to this nation. And the reaction from Trump world is that they are just jaded ex-employees of a bad boss. As if these men are as small and petty as Trump is, when they have served in combat and have climbed the ranks in the American military.
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Oct 23 2024 07:49pm
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When John Kelly is purporting to know how Trump will act in the future? That he'd be a fascist dictator?
Do you think John Kelly is a time traveler, a mind reader or a transdimensional spider demon weaving webs of fate?

Those aren't claims you can make, they can't be called true or false, they're just hyperbolic conjecture and we already had Trump as president for 4 years and he wasn't putting his political opponents in prison or seizing their penthouses or having government agencies spy on his rivals. Weird how all that fascist stuff is what Biden did


I'm not sure why you can't just answer my simple question.
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Oct 23 2024 08:00pm
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A weird quirk about Trump cultists is they think of everyone else as if they are as thin-skinned as Donald Trump.

John Kelly, Jim Mattis, Mark Milley all talk about how Trump is a serious threat to this nation. And the reaction from Trump world is that they are just jaded ex-employees of a bad boss. As if these men are as small and petty as Trump is, when they have served in combat and have climbed the ranks in the American military.


Why stop there? John Bolton did an interview today on hard talk getting roasted by Sackur for how the Republicans have moved on from neoconservatism and yet Bolton can't help but petulantly insult Trump.
I'd say its more of a quality of Trump that he has an infinite capacity to needle people into resentment more than their own shortcomings, and its the men of exceptional quality who can stay aloof from it.
John Kelly, Jim Mattis, Mark Milley, John Bolton, Rex Tillerson, Chris Christi, etc etc- they are not men of exceptional quality. Do you think I respected them all in the first place? John Bolton would bomb his own mustache if he dribbled salad oil in it.


Kelly is out there denouncing Trump as a would-be fascist and dictator. We know from Trump's record that's not how he governs. Its a simple matter of fact he had the opportunity to do everything his critics foretold, and never did. The democrats did at every turn. We're in the midst of democrat's attempts to put him in prison right now. Or just 6 feet under. And yet there are plenty of legitimate policy grievances and points of friction between someone like Kelly and Trump. The former has embraced a forever war neocon interventionalism and is guided by ideology, while Trump has no sincere ideological beliefs and has opportunistically embraced isolationism and economic protectionism and peace. Trump has always surrounded himself with people of a wide swathe of beliefs and let them duke out their different visions and see who comes out on top, and its not like its some secret, he wrote a book on it. And we saw over and over again how such a contentious white house became a whirlwind that ejected all these men who let it get under their skin, or crossed the lines they set for themselves. Sometimes departing with good and justifiable cause and holding their heads high, sometimes disgraceful hissy fits.

When John Kelly comes out and makes predictions about Trump we already know are false, that tells us more about John Kelly than it does about Trump.
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Oct 23 2024 08:02pm
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A weird quirk about Trump cultists is they think of everyone else as if they are as thin-skinned as Donald Trump.

John Kelly, Jim Mattis, Mark Milley all talk about how Trump is a serious threat to this nation. And the reaction from Trump world is that they are just jaded ex-employees of a bad boss. As if these men are as small and petty as Trump is, when they have served in combat and have climbed the ranks in the American military.

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Oct 23 2024 08:10pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 23 2024 10:00pm)
Why stop there? John Bolton did an interview today on hard talk getting roasted by Sackur for how the Republicans have moved on from neoconservatism and yet Bolton can't help but petulantly insult Trump.
I'd say its more of a quality of Trump that he has an infinite capacity to needle people into resentment more than their own shortcomings, and its the men of exceptional quality who can stay aloof from it.
John Kelly, Jim Mattis, Mark Milley, John Bolton, Rex Tillerson, Chris Christi, etc etc- they are not men of exceptional quality. Do you think I respected them all in the first place? John Bolton would bomb his own mustache if he dribbled salad oil in it.


Kelly is out there denouncing Trump as a would-be fascist and dictator. We know from Trump's record that's not how he governs. Its a simple matter of fact he had the opportunity to do everything his critics foretold, and never did. The democrats did at every turn. We're in the midst of democrat's attempts to put him in prison right now. Or just 6 feet under. And yet there are plenty of legitimate policy grievances and points of friction between someone like Kelly and Trump. The former has embraced a forever war neocon interventionalism and is guided by ideology, while Trump has no sincere ideological beliefs and has opportunistically embraced isolationism and economic protectionism and peace. Trump has always surrounded himself with people of a wide swathe of beliefs and let them duke out their different visions and see who comes out on top, and its not like its some secret, he wrote a book on it. And we saw over and over again how such a contentious white house became a whirlwind that ejected all these men who let it get under their skin, or crossed the lines they set for themselves. Sometimes departing with good and justifiable cause and holding their heads high, sometimes disgraceful hissy fits.

When John Kelly comes out and makes predictions about Trump we already know are false, that tells us more about John Kelly than it does about Trump.


Not going to read this and not sure why you can't answer the simple question of whether John Kelly, a 4 star general, the DHS secretary and longest serving chief of staff of Donald Trump, is lying about what he is saying about Donald Trump.

You could just say yes, that John Kelly is lying. Why the dodge?

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 23 2024 08:10pm
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Oct 23 2024 08:20pm
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Not going to read this


That's a you problem




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