Quote (Knoppie @ 12 Feb 2019 20:27)
Rofl, that's actually not a bad move.. Granting Catalonia influence on Spanish politics, will they dare to call for re-elections or stand behind the "perceived too soft" Prime minister. Both options are not to great for their independence campaign.
Well it's indeed a smart move. Sánchez might not be the most popular president we've had, but he's not an idiot, and he has survived several Game of Thrones-esque incidents (going from leader of the opposition, to being ousted by his own party and forced to abandon his seat in parliament, to becoming president of the country) in about 18 months. But I think he's bluffing and will try to hold on to his position for as long as possible... I expect that, if his budget get's rejected, he will call for elections in autumn and not in spring.
The whole budget debate is also happening at the same time as the trial of the catalan separatist politicians that disobeyed the Constitutional Court rulings, held the independence referendum, and later unilaterally declared secession (the trial started today). Even if the government can't meddle with the justice system, it's hard for the separatist parties to vote in favour of Sánchez, while their comrades are facing trial on that very same day.
I think that they'd eventually be willing to approve the budget in exchange for a promise from Sánchez to issue a pardon for the separatists if they are eventually convicted, but this is of course something they can only negotiate under the table. If they can buy Sánchez another year in presidency, chances are the trial will be over by summer 2020 (when elections would automatically take place, after it's 4 year cycle) and a pardon could be issued if needed. They could also hope that the passing of time allows for a change in the spanish social climate, as the anti-Sánchez sentiment is at its highest right now, and elections would likely result in him being ousted. If they let the government fall now, the elections could put Casado from PP or Rivera from C's in presidency, and that would be the end of the separatists' hope of a pardon ever happening, plus they'd face a much stricter government. Even with Sánchez in charge it's very complicated that it could be issued, as it would likely be a very unpopular decision among most of PSOE's voters, but the current president hasn't ruled out the possibility, so who knows.
Quote (dro94 @ 11 Feb 2019 23:58)
The question is why do people like zark feel the need for increasing integration? IMO they're already too integrated and it's causing nationalistic sentiments in countries like Italy, UK, Hungary...
Because it's much easier to get things done when decisions are made by one body instead of 28. If we want Europe's social culture and standard of life to prevail in the long run, we need a strong united entity that has the same geopolitical strength as China, Russia and the US.
Becoming a Type 1 Civilization is inevitable in the long run anyway, might as well start working towards such convergence on a continental level ^^
This post was edited by zarkadon on Feb 12 2019 06:35pm