Lend lease and the military industrial complex have entered the conversation.*

That's not the sentiment.

It very much is in my jurisdiction of the USA.

Are you trying to make an argument here?

Well your framing of 'their stupid logic' is pretty nonsensical, so no wonder you can't understand the conclusion. Ukraine is a geopolitical war, to undermine and weaken Russia's influence on a country that historically has been under their sphere of influence. It was backed and funded by the US starting with a coup in 2014. Israel on the other hand is not that. Historically the Jews have almost always been on the defensive with several wars of aggression by surrounding Muslims, that if they ever succeeded would almost certainly wipe out Israel as a country and the barbaric shit we've seen at the onset of this would be reality for millions. Again not something you would see in Ukraine. Ukraine under Russian influence would look like Ukraine prior to 2014, people peacefully living their lives.

But personally, I don't really think we should be funding either. Israel is more than able and rich enough to buy these weapons and not have them subsidized by the US taxpayer. Context also matters. If this new tranche of 60Bn goes through, between last year and this year, our funding for the Ukraine war would eclipse 70+years of Israel funding, which goes to show we're really dedicated to weakening Russia. I mean what's the alternative? Ukraine is a bigger more crucial ally vs Israel? lol.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 22 2023 06:53am

Adding my 2-cents. I can only explain it to you, I can't understand it for you. Your 'new right' assertion has nothing to do with the new right base. It's the usual suspects from old right taking advantage of a moment. Rural America is very much focused on America, not Israel, for sure not Ukraine. This is Iron Range timber north land middle-low class laborers with high probability of being a military family. The sentiment around here.

Seems like struggling to understand things is a regular occurrence for you. It helps to learn about what you post about before posting about it, FYI.

Siding with the guy who "has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades" is the smart decision. Listening to Kissinger makes you a moron. How could it be otherwise, when the very smart people who brought us Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria are all in support? And don't let the disaster of each of those debacles dissuade you, after all, we know they had the right idea because... well sometimes you just know.

After talking for years about the strategic necessity of "pivoting" to Asia, it should not be difficult to understand why it might not be in our interest to find ourselves locked into a forever war in Europe, the only guaranteed outcome of which is the subordination of Russia to Chinese interests. This after we've been told in no uncertain terms (circa 2014) that Ukraine is not a "core interest" of American foreign policy and that Europe must shoulder the lion's share of their own security. What changed between then and now is never explained. Just keep cutting the cheques and never judge a crisis by the results.

I don't follow pundit personalities online, so I don't know what they saying, but you're conflating support for Israel's "right to action" with support for sending Israel endless trunks of cash. Israel has a very pragmatic view of it's relationship with the United States, we ought to return the favor.

Stop excusing a long process of a slow stealing, appartheid, ending up into a slow, planned, genocide of palestiians eventually.
Seems you will say, like the local radicalized far right neo-zionists, thatU.N & trusted NGOs reports on the matter "Do not count"...

U.S are vastly involved and the whole story reminds to everyone the 9/11 "retalations", which killed a million civilians. Repeated over and over.
Creating terrorists in order to justify massacres ? I would tell to these people: get lost, you are less than animals...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Oct 22 2023 07:23am

You are correct, I hold the UN's opinions (and that of left-wing NGOs) of virtually no account.